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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Phil,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Andreas has already made a
concise, pungent reply to your pseudo-dramatic, pseudo-heroic post
below.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I will take a slightly
different tack.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">You shamelessly and
ironically cite the haunting words of Martin Niemoeller as if it applied
to the cultural war between the Christ Church Cult and its
critics:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0.5in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">"When they came for the communists, I was silent,
because I was not a communist;</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0.5in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">When they came for the socialists, I was silent,
because I was not a socialist;</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0.5in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">When they came for the trade unionists, I did not
protest, because I was not a trade unionist;</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0.5in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">When they came for the Jews, I did not protest,
because I was not a Jew;</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0.5in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">When they came for me, there was no one left to
protest on my behalf."<SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Phil, besides insulting
Niemoeller and misapplying his words, you must be also reading <I
style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">The Art of Deception</I>, one of Cult
Master Wilson's favorite guides in his war on freedom and his obsessive
drive to convert all to be under his egomaniacal, megalomaniacal
control.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">For most, the following
paragraphs are unnecessary on this forum, but to help you understand the
present fray, here goes:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Your analogous use of
Niemoeller's words is not applicable because:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0.5in 0pt 45pt"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">None of the
cult's critics is advocating, let alone planning to inter, brand, gas,
hang, and/or otherwise inflict physical violence on the members of the
<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns =
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Christ</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Church</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> Cult!<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>No one is coming for
them!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Although I am a nonbeliever,
the Cult Master's critics include many committed Christians and committed
proponents of other religious faiths.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">That you would use
Niemoeller to justify your position is not only an obviously fallacious
analogy but an egregious insult to Niemoeller.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Further, you apparently
didn't read or else failed to understand the exact language of the dicta
quoted verbatim from <I
style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Credenda/Agenda </I>(aka <I
style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Crudinto/Adumpsta</I>) the
spokes-beacon of the cult.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>For your convenience, I have again included it below.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Please read it again carefully so
that you understand the impact of its intent, especially on persons like
yourself.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Then you will see
that:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0.5in 0pt"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Unlike its
critics, the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Christ</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Church</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> Cult through its dogma does
advocate death (by stoning) for all who do not share its beliefs and/or
who behave in ways not in accordance with certain cult
dicta!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Having an
intimate relationship with someone you love of the same sex?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Get out the
stones!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Don't believe
that slavery is not a good Christian institution?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Get out the
stones!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Don't believe
the Cult Master Wilson is God's channeller of the absolute truth on
earth?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Get out the
stones!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Cursed your
parents? Get out the stones!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Had or having
an affair?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Get out the
stones!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Are you an
unrepentant Jew, Quaker, Catholic, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Absolute
Monist, etc, and hence a heretic?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Get out the stones!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Think that
Christ Church Cult dicta is a heinous load of elephant shit?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Get out the
stones!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Perhaps Phil you have
forgotten why people fled <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region
w:st="on">England</st1:country-region></st1:place> and other religiously
despotic counties to found our great country a few centuries ago?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It was because they were fleeing
oppressive religious/political despotism not as extreme as but very
similar to present Christ Church Cult dicta.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">My father served with the
United States Navy for six years in WWII.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>He was under direct fire and
bombardment many times and was a multi-decorated veteran.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Why is this important?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>My father's family was
Jewish.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>My father changed his
name from Mueller to Miller during the 1930s and then from Miller to Fox
during his military service during WWII in order to attempt to escape
anti-Semitism rampant in some parts of the country and in some parts of
the American military.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Read the cult dicta, some of
which is posted below.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Think
that Hitler was Draconian?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>There would be many, many more categories of people destroyed if
the cult could have its way than those unlucky enough to be targeted by
Hitler!<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is diabolically
disgusting, especially to those of us of Jewish or partial Jewish descent,
that you would stoop to quote Niemoeller, who would be most vigorously
protesting the dicta and goals of the Christ Church Cult, in order to make
yourself appear to be a righteous hero.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">You
say:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0.5in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">'And <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Wayne</st1:City></st1:place>'s, "Tolerance can end when ideas
are expressed and argued for, for if those ideas do not survive critical
examination they ought not be tolerated, especially if Draconian." is a
flat statement of National Socialist ideals. Under that sort of
dictum it becomes totally permisable to lack toleration of those who
disagree with you, the very first step to open the gas
chambers.'</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0.5in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Let's
see.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Under your thinking, we
should not critically examine ideas and the behavioral consequences of
those ideas no matter how asinine and/or how dire?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">What do you think science or
knowledge by observation/logic is?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>It is the quest for understanding by demanding that ideas be
clearly stated, critically analyzed and tested, and (gasp!) verified.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This kind of thinking, which you
are criticizing by calling it socialistic, is what has enabled us, among
other things, to land persons on the moon and watch this event in
quasi-real time in the comfort of our living rooms, and to eradicate many
of the diseases which formerly ravaged and tortured
humankind.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Repeat:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0.5in 0pt 45pt"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">None of the
cult's critics is advocating, let alone planning to inter, brand, gas,
hang, or otherwise inflict physical violence on the members of the
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Christ</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Church</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> Cult!<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>No one is coming for
them!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0.5in 0pt 45pt"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">The cult is </SPAN><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">free to believe and to
advocate their dicta</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Repeat:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The cult is </SPAN><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">free to believe and to
advocate their dicta</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I have never heard any of the
cult's critics even hint that this should not be so quite the
opposite.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="COLOR: red">However,
this is the </SPAN></B></SPAN><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">exact
opposite</SPAN></B><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> of cult
belief:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Heretics like myself,
my friends, millions (billions?) of others, and even you Phil, would be
subject to death if we were to express beliefs not in conformance with
Cult Master Wilson's explicit version of his reality.</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Tolerance and freedom of
expression does not mean all beliefs are equal in truth or
value.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I can't speak for you but,
for example, I do not tolerate the beliefs and their resulting
consequences of those who withhold medical treatment from their seriously
ill underage children because of their faith that some alleged god will
intervene on their behalf.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Similarly, I do not tolerate the beliefs of those who would
eradicate most of the world's population simply because those persons do
not accept certain unclear, unproven, untestable, unverifiable,
delusional, superstitious dogma.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">The critics of the
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Christ</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Church</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> cult are at a
large tactical disadvantage.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>They cannot call for the eradication of cult members, nor do they
wish such.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They refuse to
stoop to dishonesty and hypocrisy (see Rose's last posts, for examples of
<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City>'s
guileful dishonesty).<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>They
will not hypocritically, dishonestly, and diabolically yell
"Discrimination!" like the cult does when the cult's proposed scope of
advocated discrimination is so much, much larger and much, much more
destructive than any of that of which the critics of the cult are
accused.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">This is a cultural war where
the cult's detractors are limited to engaging in public debate/comment,
requesting that the cult obey the same laws as the rest of us, and
advocating the boycott of those who finance and thus promulgate the cult's
advocated destruction of many people and many of our most cherished
liberties.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">You
write:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0.5in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">"Then I see a group of people deciding on the basis
of religion that certain people should not be allowed to hold office.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I see those same people deciding
to target the businesses of their opponents.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I see them cry that their
opposition should be driven from the community as unworthy of living in
the presence of the rest of us."</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Let's
see.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">We should not think of
voting against Richard Butler (Aryan Nations, now deceased), for example,
simply because of his religiously based anti-Semitic, etc views?<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We should not consider voting
against cult member Paul Kimmell because of his religious beliefs and his
avowed intention to consult with cult elders and to not act against cult
dicta (under threat of cult discipline) in the performance of his sworn,
public duty?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Niemoeller would call you
the most despicable of all enablers!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Almost all of the persons I
have politically supported with my vote, money and efforts have religious
beliefs different from mine sometimes radically different.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>However, I support them because
most rely upon on experience and testable, verifiable information in the
performance of their public duties.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>They do not insist upon their personal religious dicta in this
performance, which dicta many know in their heart of hearts to be highly
speculative, universally heterogeneous, and not subject to definitive
testing, and, most importantly, they have the decency/integrity not to
impose such uncertainty upon the rest of us.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">When Kimmell or any other
politician wants to impose his religious dicta upon us, he is not going to
get my vote, money, or effort.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Quite the contrary think the Taliban, Nazism, the Inquisition,
etc.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I will not be a silent
or disinterested enabler.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Again, Phil, I urge you to
remember some of the motivations for the origin of our country.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We are the result of the craving
for liberty against the forced imposition of political and religious
dogma.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Freedom of expression,
freedom of association, and the right to the pursuit of life, liberty, and
happiness are our heritage and ideals.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"></SPAN></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"></SPAN>We are here because courageous peoples
took great risks and sacrificed much, including their lives so that we can
chose who are friends are, who are life's partners are, which gods to
worship or not worship, what we can say and how to say it, and to pursue
the careers and ambitions of our choice with the hopes that our abilities
and honest efforts will fairly lead to our successes no matter how high
our chosen aspirations.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">If you read and understand
the dicta from Gregor Dickison below, you will see that the goals,
beliefs, and actions of the Christ Church Cult are </SPAN><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: #ff6600; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">completely
antithetical</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> to the ideals stated just
above.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>And they are to be
enforced by violent death, if necessary.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">The cult is not going to be
run out of town.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Its leader
and some of his paid minions may leave town because of possible future
actions in the criminal/civil justice system, because they may come to
realize that their dicta, dishonesty, and actions are horribly out of sync
with the majority of area residents and thus their ultimate success here
is unlikely, and/or they cannot bear being the laughingstocks some have
become because of their asinine words and actions.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Upon serious reflection
Phil, you have a personal stake in this.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>As a Jew and non-cult member, you
are a heretic.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Should you not
renounce such a status, then if the cult succeeds in its societal
transformation, then in the words of Andreas:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">"In Doug's <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region
w:st="on">America</st1:country-region></st1:place>, you're first against
the wall."</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">In this regard Phil, you
really need to take Niemoeller's words in their original meaning in their
original context very seriously.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>I know I do because the actions consequent upon the Christ Church
Cult agenda/dogma are<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"> exactly</B>
the phenomenon that Niemoeller so greatly feared:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>the terrors of religious/political
tyranny.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p><FONT size=4>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><BR>Wayne A. Fox<BR>1009
Karen Lane<BR>PO Box 9421<BR>Moscow, ID 83843</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">(208) 882-7975<BR><A
href="mailto:waf@moscow.com">waf@moscow.com</A><BR></FONT> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">PS to Ted Moffett whose post
arrived after the draft of the above reply:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I don't consider all people
with religious beliefs to be mentally ill.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>There are many people with sincere
religious beliefs who reluctanly own (at least to themselves) that their
cherished beliefs are speculative, untestable, at odds with the known
probabilities of experience/science, and at odds with thousands (millions?
billions?) of other religious beliefs.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>These sincere believers at least
realize that it is possible that their religious beliefs, though
therapeutic, may possibly be partly or wholly
fantasy.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">The difference between them
and people like Cult Master Wilson is that while the former acknowledge
that their religious beliefs may possibly be in error, Wilson does not
admit any such possibility of error, but apodictically and without
verifiable, definitive evidence insists that his religious dogma is the
one and only absolute truth.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">The difference between
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Wilson</st1:City></st1:place> and
his ilk (like <I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Daily News</I>
columnist Bill Tozier) and the others described above is
this:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">When defense/coping
mechanisms are used <B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">with the
realization</B> they are or may be based on fantasy that is <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">not</B> necessarily a symptom of
mental illness.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>When the
truth of contradictory and/or unevidenced/unverifiable dogma is insisted
upon as absolute reality, and especially when it is insisted that all
others embrace this reality under threat of death, exile, etc, then we
enter the realm of the dangerously pathological in my
opinion.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">There is a vast difference
in mental health of those who recognize the possibility of error and those
who insist without credible/verifiable proof that there is absolutely no
error in their views and that their views are the only true ones, and even
hold the threat of death over others who do not accept those
views.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">As to colors, font sizes,
etc, that is my current style.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>As it is basically harmless though maybe distracting or inane to
some, I pray for the liberty and your indulgence to continue using
it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p><FONT
size=4>W.</FONT></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">____________________________________________________________</SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">____________________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Normal
People,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">The post from Andreas is
right on target. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Combine this with material
submitted several times showing that the Cult Master and his ovine,
mesmerized flock believe that stoning to death is the proper treatment for
a whole host of people perhaps 80% or more of the world's
population.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>[Without
recycling, there may not be enough stones of the proper size for this
task!]<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Here are the views of the
Christ Church Cult as expressed by Gregor Dickison, Cult Attorney, and
agreed to by the Cult Master in several places including an article in the
<EM><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">LMT </SPAN></EM>"We should never
be ashamed of anything in the bible."<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT
face="Times New Roman"> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"><A
href="http://www.credenda.org/old/issues/vol3/magi3-9.htm"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">http://www.credenda.org/old/issues/vol3/magi3-9.htm</FONT></A></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT
face="Times New Roman"> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT
face="Times New Roman"> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">"The<STRONG><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"> civil
magistrate</SPAN></STRONG> is the minister of God to execute wrath on the
wrongdoer (<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region
w:st="on">Rom.</st1:country-region></st1:place> 13:4). God has not left
his civil minister without guidance on how to exercise his office. The
Scriptures set forth clear standards of judgment for many offenses.
Capital crimes, for example, include <STRONG><SPAN
style="COLOR: red">premeditated killing (murder), kidnapping, sorcery,
bestiality, adultery, homosexuality, and cursing one's
parents</SPAN></STRONG>..."</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman">"In contemporary American jurisprudence,
none of these offenses is punishable by death, with the occasional
exception of murder. The magistrates have dispensed with God's standards
of justice. Some Christians believe this is an improvement. They would be
horrified to think that the "harsh" penalties of the law should still be
applied. Sometimes this is the result of the <STRONG><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">mistaken belief</SPAN></STRONG> that the Old Testament
has no further application after the advent of Christ. This is an
exegetical problem. Too often, it is the result of a sinful view of the
criminal. <STRONG><SPAN style="COLOR: red">This sin is called
pity.</SPAN></STRONG>"</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman"><EM>"If your brother, the son of your
mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend
who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and
serve other gods,". . . you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor
shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; but you
shall surely kill him..."</EM><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN></FONT><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">[Heresy:
Beware, ye not of the cult!]</SPAN></P>
<P><EM><FONT face="Times New Roman">"If two men fight together, and the
wife of one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of the one
attacking him, and puts out the hand and seizes him by the genitals, then
you shall cut off her hand; your eye shall not pity her..."<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></EM><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">[Defending one's
husband.]</SPAN></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman">God commands the judge to evaluate the
<I>crime</I> rather than the criminal. <STRONG><SPAN style="COLOR: red">If
the crime is one for which God requires death,
</SPAN></STRONG><STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 24pt; COLOR: red">then
death </SPAN></STRONG><EM><B><U><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 36pt; COLOR: red">must </SPAN></U></B></EM><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 24pt; COLOR: red">be the punishment.</SPAN></STRONG>
Your eye <I>shall not pity</I>. <STRONG><SPAN style="COLOR: red">Neither
is the repentance of the accused relevant to the imposition of the
sentence.</SPAN></STRONG><SPAN style="COLOR: red"> </SPAN></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">[Somehow it appears that
Gregor has missed the central message of Jesus.]</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">"Thus, the Bible
teaches that pity is not an option where God has decided the matter. The
[civil] magistrate, God's minister, is to faithfully execute justice
according to God's standard, not man's...<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This means that we must return to
an obedience which confines pity within the bounds which God has
established for us."<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Let's
see:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Murder (by even a
child), kidnapping, sorcery, bestiality, adultery, homosexuality, cursing
one's parents, heresy, defending one's husband, etc. should be punished by
death (by stoning) according to Gregor and by the extension of the Cult
Master's statements, all of the Christ Church Cult.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">All these rules are
established by the Cult Master's exclusive version of his alleged god, not
one of the thousands (millions?) of other alleged gods, and with no
accepted, successful method to decide which of these alleged gods, if any,
is/are the real one(s).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 36pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Are these the
views of mentally healthy adults?</SPAN></STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 36pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Would you want
to live anywhere where they (the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Christ</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Church</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> Cult) were in
control?</SPAN></STRONG></P>
<P> </P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Andreas
writes:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 5pt 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman">"What is crazy
is not that people object to this: what is crazy is that we, which is to
say, <st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City> and <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Latah</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">County</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>, are electing people who
subscribe to this set of beliefs to public office. What is crazy is that
we're taking their openly hypocritical cries for tolerance
seriously."</FONT></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Tell us, Donovan,
how intolerant we are when:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman">"In Doug's
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">America</st1:place></st1:country-region>, you're first against
the wall."</FONT></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Tolerance can end
when ideas are expressed and argued for, for if those ideas do not survive
critical examination they ought not be tolerated, especially if
Draconian. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Tolerance is
not the uncritical acceptance of anything</SPAN></STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> let alone the acceptance
and/or permissive ignoring of the sociopathological,
logically/epistemologically unsound, superstitious dicta from an obscenely
ambitious, dishonest/hypocritical, but small-minded/relatively ignorant
small town parson.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Art Deco (Wayne A.
Fox)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=4>From: "Phil Nisbet" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:pcnisbet1@hotmail.com"><FONT
size=4>pcnisbet1@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>To: <</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 8:21 PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] An Open Letter</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT size=4>> "When they came for the
communists, I was silent, because I was not a <BR>> communist;<BR>> When
they came for the socialists, I was silent, because I was not a <BR>>
socialist;<BR>> When they came for the trade unionists, I did not protest,
because I was not <BR>> a trade unionist;<BR>> When they came for the
Jews, I did not protest, because I was not a Jew;<BR>> When they came for me,
there was no one left to protest on my behalf."<BR>> <BR>> Martin
Niemoeller (1892-1984)<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Then I see a group of people
deciding on the basis of religion that certain <BR>> people should not be
allowed to hold office. I see those same people <BR>> deciding to
target the businesses of their opponents. I see them cry that <BR>>
their opposition should be driven from the community as unworthy of living
<BR>> in the presence of the rest of us.<BR>> <BR>> All I have to do is
change the words CCer and kirker to Jew and you get a <BR>> nice speach
suitable for Adolph Hitler.<BR>> <BR>> So please tell me that your
"Protocals of the Elders of CC" is not heading <BR>> into print.<BR>>
<BR>> "When they came for the CCers, I was silent, because I was not a CCer;
. . .<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> And Andreas, if you change your last statement
to National Socialist from <BR>> democratic, what sort of statement do you
get?<BR>> <BR>> The reality is that a small group of followers of one sect
of Xtians is not <BR>> going to line anybody against the wall by governmental
decree, but the kinds <BR>> of actions that are brewing among certain other
elements of our society here <BR>> are very likely to.<BR>> <BR>> And
Wayne's, "Tolerance can end when ideas are expressed and argued for, for
<BR>> if those ideas do not survive critical examination they ought not be
<BR>> tolerated, especially if Draconian." is a flat statement of National
<BR>> Socialist ideals. Under that sort of dictum it becomes totally
permisable <BR>> to lack toleration of those who disagree with you, the very
first step to <BR>> open the gas chambers.<BR>> <BR>> Under Wayne's
thoughts, it is possibly pretty easily to target others. The <BR>>
Mormons believe that white guys were here on this continent as some sort of
<BR>> lost ten tribes prior to Columbus getting here, a demonstrably strange
idea, <BR>> so lets not tolerate them. The Moslems believe that
Mohamed's horse leaped <BR>> him to heaven from the Dome of the Rock, pretty
bizarre by anybodies <BR>> standards and should therefore not be
tolerated. All Christians and Moslems <BR>> believe that they are the
sole holders of the truth of G-d and that any who <BR>> do not follow their
particular brand of faith are destined to burn in the <BR>> eternal fires of
damnation, which seems pretty Draconian to me. so heck, not <BR>> one of them
should be tolerated. The Buddahist think that their main <BR>> squeeze
hung out under the canopy of a nine headed snake, so lets not <BR>> tolerate
them either. And then you have the neo-Pagans who claim that the <BR>>
ball of nickel-iron spinning through the void is actually something that
<BR>> should be worshipped. . .<BR>> <BR>> So not one of these people
should be allowed to have businesses in Moscow <BR>> and not one of them
allowed to serve in Government. Hey they are all cults <BR>> to
somebody, from the naked dancing wiccans on Moscow Mountain to the <BR>>
minister of the Episcopal Church.<BR>> <BR>> "Never again" has deep
meaning to me. In 1975, thirty years after the close <BR>> of the the
second world war, on Yom HaShoah, I was at the reopening of the <BR>> Rashi
Synagogue in Worms Germany. From the 1300's until the 1940's, the <BR>>
Yeshiva there had been a triving center of Jewish learning and the place of
<BR>> worship for a large community. Because certain Germans decided
that the <BR>> ideas of that community did not survive their idea of critical
examination, <BR>> they lined up the Jews of Worms by the rail tracks at the
old cemetary, with <BR>> its over 600 years of headstones and sent them
East.<BR>> <BR>> In those silent halls of stone, where not one person who
had lived in that <BR>> community prior to the war was still there to
witness, we rededicated and <BR>> consecrated that place to their
memory<BR>> <BR>> So you want the CCers? You will have to come
through this Jew to get them. <BR>> If they want you on similar
grounds, I would do no less.<BR>> <BR>> Never again.<BR>> <BR>> Phil
Nisbet<BR>> <BR>>>From: Andreas Schou <</FONT><A
href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com"><FONT size=4>ophite@gmail.com</FONT></A><FONT
size=4>><BR>>>Reply-To: Andreas Schou <</FONT><A
href="mailto:ophite@gmail.com"><FONT size=4>ophite@gmail.com</FONT></A><FONT
size=4>><BR>>>To: Phil Nisbet <</FONT><A
href="mailto:pcnisbet1@hotmail.com"><FONT
size=4>pcnisbet1@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>><BR>>>CC:
</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT size=4>>>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] An Open Letter<BR>>>Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 17:12:57
-0700<BR>>><BR>>>Another great quote, straight from the horse's
mouth, is:<BR>>><BR>>>"Reforming the State is not about forcing
people to be Christians. But<BR>>>it is about forcing people to outwardly
conform to a Christian<BR>>>standard and about protecting the Christian
religion. Historically,<BR>>>the civil magistrate has enforced laws
against blasphemy, apostasy,<BR>>>heresy, swearing, and working on the
Sabbath. The difficulty is not in<BR>>>defining or punishing these crimes;
the difficulty is finding the<BR>>>strength and wisdom to do
so."<BR>>><BR>>>That's right. Are you a Muslim? A Jew? A Hindu?
Agnostic? How about a<BR>>>Quaker or Methodist? How about a Reformed
Christian who doesn't<BR>>>believe in pedobaptism -- a belief which Doug
has repeatedly referred<BR>>>to as "heretical?" In Doug's America, you're
first against the wall.<BR>>>What is crazy is not that people object to
this: what is crazy is that<BR>>>we, which is to say, Moscow and Latah
County, are electing people who<BR>>>subscribe to this set of beliefs to
public office. What is crazy is<BR>>>that we're taking their openly
hypocritical cries for
tolerance<BR>>>seriously.<BR>>><BR>>>Tolerance is a virtue. I
take appeals to my tolerance seriously, and<BR>>>apprecate people who
bring my lack of tolerance to my attention.<BR>>>Infinite tolerance,
however -- whether it's tolerating the mugger<BR>>>who's got a pistol
under your nose or agreeing to buy coffee whose<BR>>>profits are devoted
to preaching your own execution -- is crazy. No<BR>>>matter how idealistic
you are, eventually, some reducio ad absurdiam<BR>>>will make you turn
pragmatic. For me, this is that point.<BR>>><BR>>>Those who refuse
to abide by core democratic principles -- among them,<BR>>>the general
consent that you will not execute your political opponents<BR>>>once you
attain office -- should not participate in it at all, and
be<BR>>>prevented from doing so if at all possible by those voters
that<BR>>>actually care about its nhealth.<BR>>><BR>>>--
ACS<BR>> <BR>>
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