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<DIV><FONT size=4>All,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Donovan posts:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4><FONT size=3>"My point, and made clear before you twisted it,
was that you cannot judge all members of the church by the sins of their
pastor."</FONT><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4> </DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Rebecca R. Rod in a letter to the editor in Friday's
(05-27-05) <EM>Daily News</EM> gave a pellucid (with acknowledgement to
Melynda) rebuttal to this point:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>[</STRONG>"Since Doug Wilson is such a charismatic figure his
opinion seemed to be the opinion of Christ Church, which was most likely not the
case." {Quote from uninformed <EM>Daily News</EM> Managing Editor Steve
McClure.} </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff>What sense does that
make?</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff>Why would a church body, a group of believers
naming themselves after Jesus Christ, want to keep such a person in power as
their leader and spokesperson if that body does not hold with the opinions of
their loudest and strongest voice?</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff>Do they really want to follow this man, or are
they powerless to change their situation?</FONT>]</STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Are the opinions of the members of the Aryan Nations
significantly different from those of (now deceased) Richard Butler?
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>If they were different and expressed during Butler's life
time, these dissenters would not be members very long (as did happen on a
number of occasions in the Aryan Nations, and as also happened with
the Christ Church Cult -- remember the firing of a Canon Press
employee because of his wife's views or the firing of the NSA Music Master
because he dared to vote against making dimbulb Cult Master Jr. Nate Wilson a
full fellow).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>There are at least two reasons to paint members of the Christ
Church Cult with exactly the same colors as Cult Master Wilson:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>[1] Cult members are knowledgeable of,
enable, and promulgate Wilson's sexist, homophobic, racist, anti-democracy,
theocratic, anti-disabled, outré theological, etc views and patently obvious
covenantal dishonesty by:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4> [a] belonging to and
celebrating with the cult,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4> <FONT color=#ff0000
size=5><STRONG>[b] especially by giving money to the cult</STRONG></FONT>,
and</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4> [c] by overtly and
ovinely gushing upon the Cult Master palavering worship.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>For example, in recent months cult members through the cult
elders (most of whom are economically dependent on the good graces of the Cult
Master) loaned (read contributed) over $110,000 to Canon Press (Wilson's vanity
press) to keep it afloat. Canon Press published <EM>Southern Slavery: As
It Was </EM>and other racist, sexist, homophobic, etc lame, delusionary
tracts. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>When cult members give money, (roughly $450 per cult
family) to publish this kind of discriminatory, general hate-ridden
nonsense, it would be asinine to say they do not share and enable the Cult
Master's views.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>[2] The Cult Master does not tolerate any
dissent. Besides the cases of the Canon Press employee and the NSA Music
Master (who was perhaps their most qualified employee) mentioned above, the Cult
Master specifically stated in a document that appeared on V 2020 that County
Commissioner Paul Kimmell would be subjected to cult (read the Cult
Master's) discipline if he failed to adhere to cult doctrine in matters
before the commission which were addressed by cult doctrine, such as benefits
for same sex partners.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Anyone who stays in the cult knows their place -- with Wilson
in all regards, or else in the stocks with full revenge exacted.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Presumably cult members are sentient beings. If they are
not sexist, homophobic, racist, anti-disabled, etc., they would get out and find
a real, more loving Christian, other, or no church. In the meantime,
let's not make unsupportable excuses for them, but see them clearly for what
they stand.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT><FONT size=4><BR>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<BR><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=4>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=4>From: "Donovan Arnold" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"><FONT
size=4>donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>To: "Tom Hansen" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><FONT size=4>thansen@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT
size=4>>; "'Nick Gier'" <</FONT><A href="mailto:ngier@uidaho.edu"><FONT
size=4>ngier@uidaho.edu</FONT></A><FONT size=4>>; <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 8:55 AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Evangelical Christianity vs.
Wilsonian Christianity</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT size=4>> Mr. Hansen,<BR>>
<BR>> First, thank you for correcting my error in referring<BR>> Mr.
Wilson as having a degree he did not earn.<BR>> However, Mr. Wilson's level
of educational attainment<BR>> has nothing to do with my arguments.<BR>>
<BR>> Second, I do believe that Dr. Gier has insulted the<BR>> members of
Christ Church in his arguments comparing<BR>> the Taliban to the members of
Christ Church. Which is<BR>> why he got himself in hot water on Mr.
Courtney's<BR>> Blog. <BR>> <BR>> Finally, I never said that Mr. Wilson
should not be<BR>> held to higher moral standards of scrutiny than
others<BR>> in the church. My point, and made clear before you<BR>>
twisted it, was that you cannot judge all members of<BR>> the church by the
sins of their pastor. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Donovan J Arnold<BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> --- Tom Hansen <</FONT><A
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><FONT size=4>thansen@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT
size=4>> wrote:<BR>>> Arnold -<BR>>> <BR>>>
WOW!<BR>>> <BR>>> Where do I begin?<BR>>> <BR>>> Let's
examine just a couple of your quotes for now,<BR>>> ok?<BR>>>
<BR>>> " . . . it seems your real disagreement is with Dr.<BR>>>
Wilson not NSA or Christ<BR>>> Church."<BR>>> <BR>>>
<BR>>> Question: What qualifies Doug Wilson to prefix
his<BR>>> name with "Dr."?<BR>>> <BR>>> Wilson, Douglas J.,
M.A., Member, Board of Trustees<BR>>> and Senior Fellow, 1994-<BR>>>
M.A. in Philosophy, University of Idaho, 1977<BR>>> B.A. in Classical
Studies, University of Idaho, 1988<BR>>> B.A. in Philosophy, University of
Idaho, 1977<BR>>> <BR>>> Copied and pasted from the NSA Faculty page
at: <BR>>> <BR>>> </FONT><A
href="http://www.nsa.edu/community/faculty.html"><FONT
size=4>http://www.nsa.edu/community/faculty.html</FONT></A><BR><FONT
size=4>>> <BR>>> "It really seems counterproductive to
attack<BR>>> hundreds of people in our<BR>>> community solely
because you disagree with the<BR>>> personal actions of one<BR>>>
member of their church."<BR>>> <BR>>> Dr. Nick Gier did NOT "attack
hundreds of people in<BR>>> our community". He<BR>>> simply
responded to Doug Wilson's "I Love Me"<BR>>> website entry "Naming
the<BR>>> Intoleristas" at <BR>>> <BR>>><BR>> </FONT><A
href="http://www.dougwils.com/index.asp?Action=Anchor&CategoryID=1&BlogID=1105"><FONT
size=4>http://www.dougwils.com/index.asp?Action=Anchor&CategoryID=1&BlogID=1105</FONT></A><BR><FONT
size=4>>> <BR>>> Doug Wilson is not simply "one member of
their<BR>>> church." He is the pastor<BR>>> for Christ
Church. And as such must under go closer<BR>>> scrutiny than
John<BR>>> Doe's son, Jimmy, that falls asleep in church.<BR>>>
<BR>>> You really should evaluate and validate what you<BR>>> post
before you post it,<BR>>> Arnold.<BR>>> <BR>>> Take care,
Moscow.<BR>>> <BR>>> Tom Hansen<BR>>> Moscow,
Idaho<BR>>> <BR>>> "Going to church doesn't make you a Christian
any<BR>>> more than going to a<BR>>> garage makes you a
mechanic."<BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>> <BR>>
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