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I think you have to worry when you make a movie about a stereotypically
deceitful, evil emperor destroying an age-old republic and establishing
military rule, and people think you are insulting their president.<br>
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Just a thought.<br>
<br>
Steven Simmons<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tbertruss@aol.com">tbertruss@aol.com</a> wrote:
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<div>Joan et. al.</div>
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<div>I ignored Dale's <span class="correction" id="">blog</span> for
a long time thinking to even respond to some of the crap there not
worth it. But his web site keeps coming up on <span class="correction"
id="">V2020</span> as a topic of discussion.</div>
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<div>There has been some <span class="correction" id="">controversy</span>
about the new Star Wars movie regarding what some think is thinly
veiled political jabs at the Bush administration. Lucas denies this
was his intention. </div>
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<div>George W. <span class="correction" id="">Vader</span>?</div>
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href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050522/ts_alt_afp/afpentertainmentfilm_050522202005">http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050522/ts_alt_afp/afpentertainmentfilm_050522202005</a></div>
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<div>Ted <span class="correction" id="">Moffett</span></div>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Joan <span class="correction" id="">Opyr</span>
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To: Vision2020 Moscow <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><vision2020@moscow.com></a><br>
Sent: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:11:14 -0700<br>
Subject: [Vision2020] Dale has a backbone? Where? Is that it wiggling
in the <span class="correction" id="">Rosauer's</span> fish counter?<br>
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id="AOLMsgPart_2_604b9d07-17b4-49e2-971b-4d31b337a43c">Hello Ted, <br>
<br>
First, I read the article you pos<span class="correction" id="">ted</span>
on election fraud, Ted -- the one Dale took as evidence of your
paranoia. I, too, had hoped that it would stimulate discussion, but I
didn't start the ball rolling because I quite simply found the facts
too grim. I'm no political ostrich, as most here will attest, but good
grief -- our last two presidential elections have been profoundly
depressing for the democrats (note the small "d") among us. This will
mark me forever as a geek, but there's a line in the new Star Wars
movie that just about sums it up: <span class="correction" id="">Padme</span>,
watching the galactic republic devolve into a monarchy under the cover
of endless war, remarks something along the lines of "Thus dies
Liberty, to a thunderous applause." <br>
<br>
Dale is <span class="correction" id="">disingenuous</span>. He'! s
manipulative. He's unprofessional, discourteous, he is shallow and a
wimp. Yes, a wimp. Despite his claims to have acquired a backbone in
the Navy, Dale chooses to "debate" us not on Vision 2020, among the
elbowing, jostling hoi-polloi, but from the safe distance of his
self-modera<span class="correction" id="">ted</span> <span
class="correction" id="">weblog</span>. There, Dale sets the agenda
and controls the discourse. He's never in danger of having his ass
handed to him on a plate, as are the active participants of Vision
2020, myself included. This danger of being shown up, of being correc<span
class="correction" id="">ted</span>, of having to admit to being
wrong, or losing an argument, or making a mistake is the reason why
Doug Wilson and Doug Jones, et al., left us in late 2003, the Winter of
Their Discontent. They found that they were losing too many arguments
making too few converts. Vision 2020 was not good hunting ground for
lock-step thinkers. <br>
<br>
If! you'll all excuse my language, Dale is a classic <span
class="correcti" on="" id="">chickenshit</span>. He <span
class="correction" id="">nitpicks</span> from a safe distance, tossing
little bits of gravel at the big boys and girls. It's clear that he
reads 2020 religiously, and then posts like mad about what he
encounters here, but he does this in the guise of the tattle-tale tit.
Dale <span class="correction" id="">nitpicks</span> and runs away,
living to pick another day. Backbone my <span class="correction" id="">fanny</span>.
Dale snatched a tentacle off a passing jellyfish and stuffed that
wiggling length of slime down where his vertebrae ought to be. <br>
<br>
For all his faults (and they are many), Donovan, Dale's designa<span
class="correction" id="">ted</span> Roy Cohn, remains on Vision 2020.
He fawns all over Dale on right-mind.us (have you considered a good
tongue-scraping, Donovan? preferably with bleach?) but he hasn't run
away or hidden his ignorant belligerence behind Mama <span
class="correction" id="">Courtney's</span> skirts.&nbs! p;<br>
<br>
Which isn't to say that I read <span class="correction" id="">Donovan's</span>
posts -- 15 per day and counting -- because I don't. I have other
hobbies, like breathing. <br>
<br>
Joan <span class="correction" id="">Opyr</span>/Auntie Establishment <br>
<a href="http://www.joanopyr.com" target="_blank">www.joanopyr.com</a> <br>
<br>
<br>
On May 26, 2005, at 1:57 PM, <a href="mailto:Tbertruss%40aol.com">Tbertruss@aol.com</a>
wrote: <br>
<br>
> <br>
> Hello Julie: <br>
> <br>
> Anyone on the web can go to: <br>
> <br>
> <a href="http://vision2020.moscow.com" target="_blank">http://vision2020.moscow.com</a> <br>
> <br>
> and see the archives of Vision2020 which should have every
Vision2020 > post for years back accessible. <br>
> <br>
> Here are the first two hits from a simple <span class="correction"
id="">Google</span> web search using my > name "<span class="cor!"
rection="" id="">ted</span> <span class="correction" id="">moffett</span>"&
nbsp;<br>
> <br>
> Ted <span class="correction" id="">Moffett</span> on Pacifism <br>
> ... Ted <span class="correction" id="">Moffett</span> on
Pacifism. Ted <span class="correction" id="">Moffett</span> writes:.
What amazes me, has > always amazed <br>
> me, since I was a <span class="correction" id="">teeny</span>
tiny person, is how this moral directive is > so ... <br>
> right-mind.us/archive/2004/11/04/560.aspx - 43k - Cached - >
Similar pages <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Ted <span class="correction" id="">Moffett</span>'s Paranoia <br>
> ... Ted <span class="correction" id="">Moffett</span>'s Paranoia.
Ted <span class="correction" id="">Moffet</span> pos<span
class="correction" id="">ted</span> an article called “I > smell a
Rat”. <br>
> Ted, how do you reply to Anne <span class="correction" id="">Applebaum's</span>
post about having faith in > <span class="correction" id="">ATMs</span>,
...&nb! sp;<br>
> right-mind.us/archive/2004/11/17/678.aspx - 42k - Cached - >
Similar pages <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> As you can see, both of these hits are from Dale's web site where
he > used Vision2020 posts I authored to create or attempt to create
> discussion on his site. <br>
> <br>
> I can only conclude Dale is desperate to draw others to his site,
so > he must steal controversy, as it were, from Vision2020. <br>
> <br>
> Below is a forwarded Vision2020 post I sent recently about Dale
> <span class="correction" id="">Courtney's</span> web site that
genera<span class="correction" id="">ted</span> zero comments on the
Vision2020 > list. <br>
> <br>
> <span class="correction" id="">Subj</span>: [Vision2020] Dale <span
class="correction" id="">Courtney's</span> Oversimplifications <br>
> Date: 5/21/2005 9:48:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time <br>
> From: <a href="mailto:Tbertruss%40aol.com">Tbertruss@aol.com</a> <br>
> To: <a href="mailto:dmcourtn%40moscow.com">dmcourtn@moscow.com</a>,
<a href="mailto:vision2020%40moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> <br>
> Sent from the Internet (Details) <br>
> <br>
> Mr. Dale Courtney et. al. <br>
> <br>
> Shortly after last <span class="correction" id="">fall's</span>
presidential election, I pos<span class="correction" id="">ted</span>
to <span class="correction" id="">V2020</span> an > article about
the possibility of voting fraud and/or tampering. I > consider this
a nonpartisan issue that anyone who cares in the > slightest bit
about the integrity of the electoral process would wish > to see
explored and exposed. I merely pos<span class="correction" id="">ted</span>
the article, without > writing any text, just signing my name. <br>
> <br>
> So how does Dale Courtney respond? He places on his web site a
post > in bold font announcing "Ted <span class="correction" id="">Moffett<!--
/SPAN-->'s
Paranoia," suggesting that I > respond to another article about
computer systems and paper trails. <br>
> <br>
> Regardless of the facts and arguments on the issue of computerized
> voting, what kind of morality is behind placing on a public web
site a > derogatory statement about the psychology of someone you
don't know > who was merely making information available about a
critical issue? > If Dale did not post the statement in question,
perhaps he needs to > moderate the content on his <span
class="correction" id="">website</span>? But my best guess is that
this > statement was authored by him. <br>
> <br>
> When I first discovered this juvenile and rude conduct on his web
> site, I decided to ignore it. <br>
> <br>
> But today I found more nonsense on Mr. <span class="correction"
id="">Courtney's</span> web site. > Apparently, he feels a need to
lump together under the words "left! " > and/or "lefty" a large
group of people with widely varying view
s on > government. Dale wrote in answer to a Joan <span
class="correction" id="">Opry</span> <span class="correction" id="">V2020</span>
post: <br>
> <br>
> "First, I'm not <span class="correction" id="">Faul</span>, or <span
class="correction" id="">Stigmatta</span>, or Fiat, or... That's not
me. No > need. I don't play "hide-and-seek" games. I sign everything
that's > mine. 20 years in the navy teaches one to have a
backbone/spine. So > don't assign the methods of the Left (Ivan <span
class="correction" id="">Brewski</span>, Art <span class="correction"
id="">Deco</span>, <span class="correction" id="">JeanC</span>, >
Captain <span class="correction" id="">Kirker</span>, <span
class="correction" id="">R2</span> Privacy, <span class="correction"
id="">Shelly</span>, Tbertruss, <span class="correction" id="">DPQ</span>,
hayfields, <span class="correction" id="">LRR</span>, > <span
class="correction" id="">Nebar</span>, <span class="correction" id="">Wocsom</span>,
! etc) onto someone who behaves right (pun intended). Go > look
somewhere else for your bogeymen. <br>
> <br>
> As I said previously, I do find it the height of hypocrisy that
the > Left doesn't get bent out of shape when Lefties are anonymous.
But let > someone they don't agree with try and be anonymous? Ah!
The > intolerance of the Tolerant. I've come to expect nothing
less." <br>
> <br>
> First off, Mr. Courtney, you need to follow the <span
class="correction" id="">V2020</span> list more > closely if you
are going to assume all those on the "left" are one > group that
marches in lock step. Tom Hansen, no doubt in your mind > one of
those nefarious members of the "left," once chided on <span
class="correction" id="">V2020</span> > yours truly for not signing
a <span class="correction" id="">V2020</span> post. So in fact on <span
class="correction" id="">V2020</span> a > "lefty" chided a fellow
"lefty" (this designa! tion is only in Mr. > <span
class="correction" id="">Courtney's</span> mind, because I do not
describe myself as a "lefty" or a > member of the "left") for not
signing a <span class="correction" id="">V2020</span> post. I argued
once on > <span class="correction" id="">V2020</span> that perhaps
not signing a <span class="correction" id="">V2020</span> post with a
"real" name can in > some cases be justified. Bill London, another
individual I suspect > you would label "leftist," argued
otherwise. <br>
> <br>
> I have occasionally not signed a <span class="correction" id="">V2020</span>
post when using my AOL e-mail > address "<span class="correction"
id="">tbertruss</span>," but I nearly always do. I am not trying to
hide > behind "<span class="correction" id="">tbertruss</span>."
Everyone who follows <span class="correction" id="">V2020</span> knows
that "Art <span class="correction" id="">Deco</span>" > is Wayne
Fox, and "<span class="correction" id="">Nebar</span>" is Jasper <span
class="c!" orrection="" id="">Nance</span>. The <span
class="correction" id="">V2020</span> posts by these > individuals
do not represent a deliberate attempt to hide their > identity, as
Dale Courtney implied. <br>
> <br>
> "<span class="correction" id="">Faul</span>," "<span
class="correction" id="">Sigmatta</span>" and "Fiat" were attempting
to hide their > identities from the <span class="correction" id="">V2020</span>
list, as far as I know. <br>
> <br>
> Who is looking for "bogeymen," as Dale Courtney wrote in response
to > Joan <span class="correction" id="">Opry</span>? It seems
Dale <span class="correction" id="">Courtney's</span> stereotyping
oversimplifying > views of this large and varied group of
individuals he regards as > being members of the "left" qualify
these "<span class="correction" id="">Lefty's</span>" as his own >
"bogeymen." <br>
> <br>
> Perhaps Mr. Courtney is so <span class="correction" id="">enamored<!--
/SPAN-->
of marching in lock step > utilizing a form of "group think" that he
projects this manner of > thinking onto those he imagines oppose
him. <br>
> <br>
> I will let the immortal words of Dale Courtney written to Joan <span
class="correction" id="">Opry</span> > on Mr. <span
class="correction" id="">Courtney's</span> web site express what I
think about his statement > "Ted <span class="correction" id="">Moffett</span>'s
Paranoia:" <br>
> <br>
> "So instead of trying to project your bias and venom on someone
you > don't know, why don't you go do something useful." <br>
> <br>
> Links to the info on Dale <span class="correction" id="">Courtney's</span>
web site mentioned above: <br>
> <br>
> <a href="http://right-mind.us/archive/2004/11/17/678.aspx"
target="_blank">http://right-mind.us/archive/2004/11/17/678.aspx</a> <br>
> <br>
> <a href="http://right-mind.us/archive/2005/01/27/1375.aspx"
target="_blank">http://right-mind.us/archive/2005/01/27/1375.aspx</a> !
;<br>
> <br>
> <a href="http://right-mind.us/archive/2005/01/27/1377.aspx"
target="_blank">http://right-mind.us/archive/2005/01/27/1377.aspx</a> <br>
> <br>
> --------------------------------------------------------- <br>
> <br>
> V2020 Post by Ted <span class="correction" id="">Moffett</span> <br>
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