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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=176504306-27052005><FONT
color=#0000ff>Ted,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=176504306-27052005><FONT
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=176504306-27052005><FONT
color=#0000ff>"Paranoia" has two meanings: </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=176504306-27052005><FONT
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=176504306-27052005><FONT color=#0000ff>1. a
psychosis characterized by systematized delusions of persecution or grandeur
usually without hallucinations<BR>2. a tendency on the part of an individual or
group toward excessive or irrational suspiciousness and distrustfulness of
others<BR></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=176504306-27052005><FONT color=#0000ff><A
href="http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=paranoia">http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=paranoia</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=176504306-27052005><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT
face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=176504306-27052005><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=#0000ff size=3>I'm not a doctor. I cannot diagnose
psychoses, etc. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=176504306-27052005><FONT
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=176504306-27052005><FONT
color=#0000ff>However, in your post on Vision2020 (<A
href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2004-November/012648.html">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2004-November/012648.html</A>)
you wrote: </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=176504306-27052005><FONT color=#0000ff>
<P><FONT color=#800000>When the ATM asks whether I want a receipt, I usually
say no. When a Web site wants my credit card number, I usually say yes. When I
pay bills online, there is no paper record of the transaction. In my failure
to demand physical evidence when money changes hands, I am not very unusual.
Most Americans now conduct at least some of their financial transactions
without paper, or at least sleep happily knowing that others do. Yet when it
comes to voting -- a far simpler and more straightforward activity than
electronic bank transfers -- we suddenly become positively 19th century in our
need for a physical record. </NITF></FONT></P>
<P><NITF><FONT color=#800000>It is, if you think about it, quite inexplicable.
</FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=#800000>Two weeks after the election, the Internet rumor mill
continues to spout stories of computer-stolen votes. No sooner are they
disproved than others appear. Some are demanding an Ohio recount. Otherwise
sober people are asking whether there can be smoke without fire. Last weekend
the New York Times published an editorial that found "no evidence" of vote
fraud but called electronic voting "a problem" all the same. After all, the
editorial noted, there is "no way to be sure" that votes weren't changed "by
secret software" inside the machines. If you're tempted to believe that
analysis is rational, just ask yourself this question: Are you really sure
that your bank isn't using secret software to steal $9.72 from your retirement
account every week? And if the answer is no, why aren't you up in arms about
that, too?</FONT></P></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV></SPAN><SPAN class=176504306-27052005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>I call what you wrote above an "<FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3>excessive or irrational suspiciousness and distrustfulness of others" --
paranoia, by the second definition. </FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=176504306-27052005><FONT
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=176504306-27052005><FONT color=#0000ff>And, six months after
the election (and after your original post), history has proven me correct.
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=176504306-27052005><FONT
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=176504306-27052005><FONT
color=#0000ff>best,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=176504306-27052005><FONT color=#0000ff>Dale</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> tbertruss@aol.com
[mailto:tbertruss@aol.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 26 May 2005
18:54<BR><B>To:</B> dmcourtn@moscow.com;
vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Face It Dale, And Apologize, If You
Have The Spine, That Is!<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV>Dale e<SPAN class=correction id="">t.</SPAN> <SPAN class=correction
id="">al</SPAN>.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>So labeling someone you have never met as "paranoid" in bold type
on your web site as a response to a Vision2020 post where the individu<SPAN
class=correction id=""><SPAN class=correction id="">al</SPAN></SPAN> you labeled
as "paranoid" merely posted the contents of an article with no comment
whatsoever is a <SPAN class=correction id="">response</SPAN> from you focusing
on the "facts" of the issues discussed in the article?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have debated with you before on <SPAN class=correction id=""><SPAN
class=correction id="">V2020</SPAN></SPAN> and found that you have a very <SPAN
class=correction id="">convenient</SPAN> style of debate. If someone makes
a point that is difficult for you refute, you just ignore it.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Like you have ignored my comments recently on <SPAN class=correction
id=""><SPAN class=correction id="">V2020</SPAN></SPAN> about your <SPAN
class=correction id=""><SPAN class=correction id="">blog</SPAN></SPAN> statement
regarding my "paranoia." Maybe you responded on your web site, but I don't
waste my time monitoring your site. I want an apology from you on <SPAN
class=correction id="">V2020</SPAN> so all my fellow "<SPAN class=correction
id="">Intoleristas</SPAN>" on the list can read it.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Your statement regarding my "paranoia" added nothing <SPAN
class=correction id="">whatsoever</SPAN> to a ration<SPAN class=correction
id=""><SPAN class=correction id="">al</SPAN></SPAN> fact based discussion of the
issues in the article I posted to <SPAN class=correction id=""><SPAN
class=correction id="">V2020</SPAN></SPAN> that prompted you to post that
statement on your web site.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I know you know what "argument ad <SPAN class=correction
id="">hominem</SPAN>" is!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Face it, Dale, and apologize on <SPAN class=correction id="">V2020</SPAN>,
that is if you have the spine for it! You decided to insult me <SPAN
class=correction id="">personally</SPAN> on your web site utilizing a lame
psychologic<SPAN class=correction id=""><SPAN class=correction
id="">al</SPAN></SPAN> slam implying any concerns I may have over the
reliability or potenti<SPAN class=correction id="">al</SPAN> for tampering of
computerized voting systems is just "paranoia."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I don't care how many hits your web site gets. Since when is
popularity a sine qua non for truth or ethics?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ted <SPAN class=correction id=""><SPAN class=correction
id="">Moffett</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV> <BR>-----Origin<SPAN class=correction id=""><SPAN
class=correction id="">al</SPAN></SPAN> Message-----<BR>From: Dale Courtney
<dmcourtn@moscow.<SPAN class=correction id=""><SPAN class=correction
id="">com</SPAN></SPAN>><BR>To: vision2020@moscow.<SPAN class=correction
id=""><SPAN class=correction id="">com</SPAN></SPAN><BR>Sent: Thu, 26 May 2005
18:06:23 -0700<BR>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Still <SPAN class=correction
id=""><SPAN class=correction id="">Creeped</SPAN></SPAN> Out<BR><BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=694135100-27052005>Dear Rose,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=694135100-27052005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=694135100-27052005>There were many reasons
for my leaving Vision2020 and quoting posters <U>off</U> of Vision2020
vice debating on Vision2020. First, I found this list totally a waste of
time. <SPAN class=correction id=""><SPAN class=correction
id="">Latah</SPAN></SPAN> County is a solidly Red county. Vision2020 posts
are nearly across-the-board from In<SPAN class=correction
id="">to</SPAN>lerant-Leftists. And non-thinking leftists at that. You can make
a factu<SPAN class=correction id="">al</SPAN> point and you are vilified as a
person as opposed to dealing with the facts. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=694135100-27052005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=694135100-27052005>Example: <SPAN
class=correction id=""><SPAN class=correction id="">MSD</SPAN></SPAN> has the
2nd highest per-pupil spending in the State of Idaho; it has the highest <SPAN
class=correction id=""><SPAN class=correction id="">admin</SPAN></SPAN> costs of
<U>any</U> district in Idaho; and its actu<SPAN class=correction id=""><SPAN
class=correction id="">al</SPAN></SPAN> student spending is in the bottom forth
of the State. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=694135100-27052005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=694135100-27052005>Response: Dale
lies.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=694135100-27052005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=694135100-27052005>No one outside of our
small company here actually reads Vision2020 postings. So, I've gone
elsewhere (<A href="http://www.right-mind.us"
target=_blank>www.right-mind.us</A>, <A href="http://www.MoscowEducation.org"
target=_blank>www.<SPAN class=correction id=""><SPAN class=correction
id="">MoscowEducation</SPAN></SPAN>.<SPAN class=correction id=""><SPAN
class=correction id="">org</SPAN></SPAN></A>, etc). The hit-count on Right-Mind
is 604,333 since October 2004 . </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=694135100-27052005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=694135100-27052005><SPAN class=correction
id=""><SPAN class=correction id="">Google</SPAN></SPAN> up Vision2020 in Moscow
and find how many hits you get. When people <SPAN class=correction id=""><SPAN
class=correction id="">Google</SPAN></SPAN> Moscow, they don't find Vision2020;
they find <SPAN class=correction id=""><SPAN class=correction
id="">Intolerista</SPAN></SPAN> quotes on my <SPAN class=correction id=""><SPAN
class=correction id="">blog</SPAN></SPAN> sites. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=694135100-27052005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=694135100-27052005>So, I carry on my
statistics; my pretty graphs; and online discussions on my site with whoever
wants to engage. And I don't delete their postings. If they say something nasty,
it stays (just as Tim <SPAN class=correction id=""><SPAN class=correction
id="">Rigsby</SPAN></SPAN> about his comment about my wife) as do inane
comments. Just like Vision2020 -- they hang out there for the world to see.
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=694135100-27052005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=694135100-27052005>So, nothing has happened
to change me. I'm just quoting <SPAN class=correction id=""><SPAN
class=correction id="">Moscow's</SPAN></SPAN> <SPAN class=correction id=""><SPAN
class=correction id="">Intolerista</SPAN></SPAN> on my <SPAN class=correction
id=""><SPAN class=correction id="">blog</SPAN></SPAN> for the world to see and
behold. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=694135100-27052005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=694135100-27052005>Maybe quoting you all
just makes me appear nasty? </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=694135100-27052005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=694135100-27052005>best,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=694135100-27052005>Dale</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=694135100-27052005></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=694135100-27052005><SPAN class=correction
id=""><SPAN class=correction id="">PS</SPAN></SPAN> -- Am I in violation of your
copyright laws by replying to you here? What's the difference between replying
and archived on Vision2020 verses on my <SPAN class=correction id=""><SPAN
class=correction id="">blog</SPAN></SPAN>? </SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> DonaldH675@aol.<SPAN class=correction
id="">com</SPAN> [<SPAN class=correction id=""><SPAN class=correction
id="">mailto</SPAN></SPAN>:DonaldH675@aol.<SPAN class=correction
id="">com</SPAN>] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 26 May 2005 17:17<BR><B>To:</B>
dmcourtn@moscow.<SPAN class=correction id="">com</SPAN><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Vision2020] Still <SPAN class=correction id=""><SPAN class=correction
id="">Creeped</SPAN></SPAN> Out<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV><FONT id=role_document face=Georgia size=3>
<DIV>Dale,</DIV>
<DIV>I don't know the law, but I have a nodding acquaintance with courtesy and
respect. I know you to be capable of being civil, generous,
kind, erudite, and Christian. What happen?</DIV>
<DIV>Rose</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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something and doing nothing is everything." Daniel <SPAN class=correction
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