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<DIV><FONT size=4>Phil,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>We are not testing anyone. We are trying to raise issues
and gain information that will help the community solve a real problem of
consequence.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Do you want to be a committed nay-sayer like miserable, real
friendless Wenders and Courtney (a pariah even within the cult) or do
you really want to contribute to solving an important
community problem? If so, then do the simple research on
approximately what the cost would be of condemning and acquiring the land on the
east side of Jefferson between 3rd and 5th streets and report this information
to V 2020.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>If you are not willing to do this simple task for your
community, then most of us will conclude that you are against spending any
amount of money to address Moscow educational problems and that all your posts
have been are Dale Courtney/Jack Wenders type smoke screens. Based on
some of your posts in the past, I thought you were a more thoughtful
person. I hope you can reassure me on this point.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>W.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>PS. Although Keely and I seldom agree on matters
of <!--StartFragment -->Weltenschaung, that does not prevent me from seeing
that she is an honest, caring, very hard-working school board member.
You should see that even among many that opposed the levy, the
Courtney/Wenders/sick-goat shit you have thrown at her has, in fact, back-blown
onto you and Donovan.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Are you man enough to be constructive? Then let's see
the financial figures on your suggestion for an eminent domain
condemnation!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=4>From: "cjs" <</FONT><A href="mailto:cjs@turbonet.com"><FONT
size=4>cjs@turbonet.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>To: "Art Deco" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com"><FONT size=4>deco@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT
size=4>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:51 PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT size=4>> Wayne - I'm testing the
PHD's here. Are you one?<BR>> <BR>> Phil<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
-----Original message-----<BR>> From: "Art Deco" </FONT><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com"><FONT size=4>deco@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT
size=4>> Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 14:43:00 -0700<BR>> To: "cjs"
</FONT><A href="mailto:cjs@turbonet.com"><FONT
size=4>cjs@turbonet.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT size=4>> Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic<BR>> <BR>>> Phil,<BR>>>
<BR>>> The point is: You made the suggestion -- you do the
research. Are you <BR>>> incapable of doing the simple research --
less than 15 minutes worth? If <BR>>> so, just tell us so that we
can understand your cognitive disabilities and <BR>>> accord your posts
the merit they're due.<BR>>> <BR>>> Art Deco (Wayne A.
Fox)<BR>>> </FONT><A href="mailto:deco@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>deco@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT size=4>>> <BR>>>
<BR>>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>> From: "cjs" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:cjs@turbonet.com"><FONT size=4>cjs@turbonet.com</FONT></A><FONT
size=4>><BR>>> To: "Art Deco" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com"><FONT size=4>deco@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT
size=4>><BR>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:22 PM<BR>>>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic<BR>>> <BR>>>
<BR>>> > Art - call the appraiser that was going to be appraising the
Trail <BR>>> > property. Has to be a fair marketable price. There are
rules and <BR>>> > regulations under the eminent domain laws that must
be followed. An <BR>>> > appraiser and the city would follow them. Call
the City Attorney. Call <BR>>> > your Senator. Call the Mayor. It is
law. Ask Mike Curley. Although Mike is <BR>>> > not a real estate
attorney he might know where to look it up.<BR>>> ><BR>>> >
Phil<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> > -----Original
message-----<BR>>> > From: "Art Deco" </FONT><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com"><FONT size=4>deco@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT
size=4>>> > Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 13:57:42 -0700<BR>>> >
To: "cjs" </FONT><A href="mailto:cjs@turbonet.com"><FONT
size=4>cjs@turbonet.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT size=4>>> > Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic<BR>>> ><BR>>> >>
Phil,<BR>>> >><BR>>> >> We are still waiting for your
research to discover how much it would cost <BR>>> >> to<BR>>>
>> condemn under eminent domain that row of buildings just west of the
<BR>>> >> current<BR>>> >> HS between 3rd and 5th.
When are we likely to see it?<BR>>> >><BR>>>
>><BR>>> >> Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<BR>>> >>
</FONT><A href="mailto:deco@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>deco@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT size=4>>> >><BR>>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>> >> From: "cjs"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:cjs@turbonet.com"><FONT
size=4>cjs@turbonet.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>><BR>>> >> To:
"Pat Kraut" <</FONT><A href="mailto:pkraut@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>pkraut@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>><BR>>> >> Cc:
<</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>><BR>>> >>
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 1:32 PM<BR>>> >> Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic<BR>>> >><BR>>>
>><BR>>> >> > Pat - where did you get your
doctorate?<BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> > Phil<BR>>>
>> ><BR>>> >> ><BR>>> >> > -----Original
message-----<BR>>> >> > From: "Pat Kraut" </FONT><A
href="mailto:pkraut@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>pkraut@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT size=4>>> >> > Date:
Wed, 4 May 2005 11:08:51 -0700<BR>>> >> > To: "vision2020"
</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT size=4>>> >> >
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic<BR>>> >>
><BR>>> >> >> Donovan: I thought the reference to Doug and
this illness was most<BR>>> >> >> appropriate. He was very
delusional and paranoid about certain groups <BR>>> >> >>
and<BR>>> >> >> the government. His posts and what I know of
him away from vision 2020<BR>>> >> >> fit<BR>>> >>
>> very well in this diagnosis. Yes, way too many people think it is
some<BR>>> >> >> sort<BR>>> >> >> of split
personality because this was the term many years ago but that <BR>>>
>> >> is<BR>>> >> >> now called bi-polar. I am
well aware of Schizophrenia and what it does <BR>>> >> >>
to<BR>>> >> >> families and I am also somewhat aware of Doug's
problems. He was very <BR>>> >> >> ill<BR>>> >>
>> and I am sure that his family is struggling. Thanks for the
lesson.<BR>>> >> >> PK<BR>>> >>
>><BR>>> >> >><BR>>> >> >> -----
Original Message ----- <BR>>> >> >> From: "Donovan Arnold"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"><FONT
size=4>donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>><BR>>>
>> >> To: <</FONT><A href="mailto:joanopyr@earthlink.net"><FONT
size=4>joanopyr@earthlink.net</FONT></A><FONT size=4>>; <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>><BR>>> >>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:06 AM<BR>>> >> >>
Subject: [Vision2020] Re: Schizophrenic<BR>>> >>
>><BR>>> >> >><BR>>> >> >> "who was
once our resident schizophrenic."--Joan Opyr<BR>>> >>
>><BR>>> >> >> This is the third time in the last few
months that I<BR>>> >> >> have heard the term "schizophrenic"
used in a<BR>>> >> >> derogatory manner.<BR>>> >>
>><BR>>> >> >> Let me explain something to people that
do this and<BR>>> >> >> obviously do not know people
struggling with it.<BR>>> >> >> Schizophrenia is a REAL mental
illness. It has nothing<BR>>> >> >> to do with split
personality. Nor does it strike<BR>>> >> >> people because
they are bad people. It is caused by<BR>>> >> >> the slow
deterioration of parts of the brain. There is<BR>>> >> >> no
cure for it. It is a mental illness that is very<BR>>> >> >>
challenging to those that have it.<BR>>> >> >><BR>>>
>> >> Many thousands of families have to deal with the
pain<BR>>> >> >> and mental anguish of watching someone close
to them<BR>>> >> >> get worse and worse and not being able to
do anything<BR>>> >> >> about it. It is even worse when you
watch it in<BR>>> >> >> children and young adults.<BR>>>
>> >><BR>>> >> >> I do not care your background,
education, or<BR>>> >> >> experience. When you use the term
schizophrenic in a<BR>>> >> >> derogatory and offense term you
are hurting more then<BR>>> >> >> just the person you are
targeting and publicly<BR>>> >> >> humiliating many people
with a real disability that is<BR>>> >> >> life threatening
and challenging.<BR>>> >> >><BR>>> >> >> I
ask that people to please STOP doing this.<BR>>> >>
>><BR>>> >> >> Take Care,<BR>>> >>
>><BR>>> >> >> Donovan J Arnold<BR>>> >>
>><BR>>> >> >><BR>>> >> >><BR>>>
>> >> --- "</FONT><A href="mailto:joanopyr@earthlink.net"><FONT
size=4>joanopyr@earthlink.net</FONT></A><FONT size=4>" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:joanopyr@earthlink.net"><FONT
size=4>joanopyr@earthlink.net</FONT></A><FONT size=4>><BR>>> >>
>> wrote:<BR>>> >> >><BR>>> >> >> >
Ladies and Gentlemen of Vision 2020,<BR>>> >> >>
><BR>>> >> >> > Those of us who have been on this list
for a few<BR>>> >> >> > years will remember poor Doug
Stambler, who was once<BR>>> >> >> > our resident
schizophrenic. Mr. Stambler posted<BR>>> >> >> > ten,
twenty, or thirty times per day -- incoherent,<BR>>> >> >>
> rambling, paranoid conspiracy theories. He saw all;<BR>>>
>> >> > he knew all; he could predict all. (He was
also<BR>>> >> >> > heavy with the libel and the
capitalization.) There<BR>>> >> >> > was no reasoning
with Doug Stambler, and no<BR>>> >> >> > reasonable
conversation was possible either with him<BR>>> >> >> > or
around him. LIke a drunk on a city bus, he spent<BR>>> >>
>> > all day every day vomiting on the regular commuters.<BR>>>
>> >> > In short, he was hopelessly disruptive. Those
of<BR>>> >> >> > us who got the wise idea of adding him to
our "block<BR>>> >> >> > sender" lists soon found that Mr.
Stambler had<BR>>> >> >> > bypassed them by changing his
email addresses<BR>>> >> >> > rapidly and at random.
The question soon arose of<BR>>> >> >> > what to do: should
he barred from Vision 2020? And<BR>>> >> >> > if so,
by whom?<BR>>> >> >> ><BR>>> >> >> >
In the end, we decided as one (though Mr. Stambler<BR>>> >> >>
> was frankly many) to ignore him.<BR>>> >> >>
><BR>>> >> >> > It is now clear that we have not one but
two new<BR>>> >> >> > Doug Stamblers on Vision 2020.
I intend from here<BR>>> >> >> > on out to ignore
them. When they change their email<BR>>> >> >> >
addresses, I'll simply update my block sender list.<BR>>> >>
>> > I will not respond to their posts; I will not be<BR>>>
>> >> > provoked. I can only recommend that my
fellow<BR>>> >> >> > Visionaries do the same. Don't
feed a stray dog if<BR>>> >> >> > you want it to go
away.<BR>>> >> >> ><BR>>> >> >> > 'Ere
long we will again have productive<BR>>> >> >> >
conversations on this list. As soon as I regain my<BR>>> >>
>> > own equilibrium, I intend to be part of them. In<BR>>>
>> >> > the meantime, I'll reminisce about the time
Crazy<BR>>> >> >> > Charlie barfed into my Aunt Colleen's
pocketbook on<BR>>> >> >> > a Capital Area Transit Bus in
Raleigh, North<BR>>> >> >> > Carolina. Sic transit
gloria.<BR>>> >> >> ><BR>>> >> >> >
Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment<BR>>> >> >> > </FONT><A
href="http://www.auntie-establishment"><FONT
size=4>www.auntie-establishment</FONT></A><FONT size=4> ><BR>>>
>> >>
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href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT size=4>>> >>
>> ><BR>>> >> >>
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