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<DIV id=IncrediOriginalMessage><EM><STRONG>Tim writes:</STRONG></EM></DIV>
<DIV>Phil:</DIV>
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<DIV>The physical education you received is not the physical education of today.</DIV>
<DIV>Students still perform well in sit-ups, push-ups, running etc, however, PE has been</DIV>
<DIV>diversified to include activities that would be considered lifetime activities. A</DIV>
<DIV>PE instructor is more than the coach with his newspaper and whistle around his neck.</DIV>
<DIV>PE teachers now have to combat future disease for example, diabetes, obesity, CVD, etc.</DIV>
<DIV>In order for PE teachers to do this effectively, we must get students excited and</DIV>
<DIV>involved in activities that they find interest in. How often do you participate</DIV>
<DIV>in the activities that you did in high school PE? Do you still climb the rope Phil?</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM>Phil:</EM></STRONG> <STRONG>I agree. No I do not climb a rope. I couldn't if my life depended on it.</STRONG> </DIV>
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<DIV>I can guarantee that most of the students in MHS Outdoor Ed will continue to work on</DIV>
<DIV>the skills they have learned using UI facilities. Wall Climbing is a new craze and</DIV>
<DIV>walls are being built all over the place. Even at McDonald and Lena Whitmore, climbing</DIV>
<DIV>holds have been installed so climbing can be introduced at younger ages. Not only</DIV>
<DIV>climbing, but all of the other activities presented to MHS Outdoor Ed have the</DIV>
<DIV>potential to develop into lifetime activities.</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM>Phil:</EM> This is great!</STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV>Look at other school curriculums of PE. Salmon High School won model school of the year for 2004 based entirely on their outdoor education program. The students at Salmon kayak, wall climb, ski, and participate in various other outdoor activities. </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM>Phil:</EM> What is the supporting tax base of Salmon High School?</STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV>Even students at Boise High School participate in Outdoor Education. Granted Boise has a few more options for outdoor pursuits, but the same general activities take place all throughout the state. Wall Climbing, Fly Fishing, Biking, etc. are not luxuries by any measure. If anything, they are required activities for student enjoyment and achievement.</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM>Phil:</EM> Again. What is the supporting tax base? Per student? What is this dollar amount? I am not an economics person but this is an economic problem. I think what our legislatures ought to do is come up with a dollar amount per student and make it equal throughout the entire state. Then maybe some of the taxes from Boise would end up at our door and help our tax burden. That seems like a fair resolution.</STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV>Walking is not considered vigorous physical activity. In order for vigorous physical</DIV>
<DIV>activity to take place, a persons heart rate has to be at or near their maximum HR.</DIV>
<DIV>Students have learned how to calculate their Max HR and they use this number along</DIV>
<DIV>with HR monitors to monitor their level of physical activity. Yes, some students could</DIV>
<DIV>walk and achieve vigorous physical activity, but that is not likely. Also, if the</DIV>
<DIV>students were forced to walk to UI daily for class; the likely result would be one of</DIV>
<DIV>two things; 1. Students would get bored with walking and would not sign up for PE,</DIV>
<DIV>especially since PE is no longer a required course in Idaho, or </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM>Phil:</EM> Economics comes into play here. The little tax dollars in the coffer should go towards "required" courses. Then any left over can go on non-required courses.</STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV>2. Safety concerns</DIV>
<DIV>would prevent a class from walking to UI. Any sane principal will not allow their</DIV>
<DIV>students to walk through morning downtown traffic to get to UI. Bussing is the only</DIV>
<DIV>safe alternative to get students to UI not only safely but as a group. Also, if the</DIV>
<DIV>students walked to UI, they would further cut into their activity time. It takes an</DIV>
<DIV>average person 12-15 minutes to walk a mile, and at most 5-7 minutes to drive that</DIV>
<DIV>same distance through town.</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM> Phil:</EM> Bussing is expensive not only in gasoline but Insurance, maintenance, labor, etc. For a "non-required" course? There would not be any streets to cross if the High School was built on UI public land.</STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV>It is not UI's responsibility to pay for a high school. UI helps public school</DIV>
<DIV>students in various other ways besides paying taxes. How many times have Vandal</DIV>
<DIV>Athletes served as role models for elementary students? How often do you see UI</DIV>
<DIV>College of Education students volunteering their time in the schools to help teach</DIV>
<DIV>the children of Moscow? </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM>Phil:</EM> Granted some might be volunteers but many of them receive funds and units which I do not consider "volunteering" as they are being compensated.</STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV>I personally have spent nearly 300 hours of volunteer time in the Moscow schools, volunteering my time with no compensation other than the joy of watching children learn. Mike Kinziger, Recreation Professor at UI, hosts 500-600 elementary students each year in the Kibbie Dome to play games with college students. Do these three activities not benefit the children in the schools and the schools in general?</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM>Phil:</EM> I deeply appreciate your volunteer time for the children of Moscow as I am sure many others do.</STRONG> </DIV>
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<DIV>The State of Idaho is like every other state in the US, they do not have enough money</DIV>
<DIV>to please everyone and build a school for every deserving district. Look at the</DIV>
<DIV>problem Troy faced with the state. There is still never ending litigation between</DIV>
<DIV>schools and the state. Is this right, no, but provide me a better solution to fix</DIV>
<DIV>this problem than saying that UI or the state should pay for schools.</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Phil: Like I said before. You take all of the school tax dollars that are collected throughout the state. Put it in one pot. Count up every student. Divide the students into the money collected and wheever those students are (school districts) will receive their portion. But, everybody in the state needs to be taxed at the same rate to make it fair for every citizen in our state.</STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV>Phil your never ending complaining about how the UI is trying to screw you will get you</DIV>
<DIV>no where. All you are going to do is drive people away from your business on your own.</DIV>
<DIV>NO, UI should not open a pub on campus, that is not their job as an institution.</DIV>
<DIV>Plus the Board of Regents and State Board would not allow it based upon their rules and</DIV>
<DIV>bylaws. Without UI there would be no CJ's dance club. </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM>Phil:</EM> If there was no UI, I can assure you there would never have been or be a CJ's. Or, much of a downtown. Probably not even a grocery store. I am not saying that UI is trying to "screw me," I am just upset with having to pay more taxes all the time. There is not enough tax paying citizens or businesses in this town to support everybody's wants and wishes. </STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV>Students won't drive from Pullman, Lewiston, or Clarkston to come to CJ's, especially if UI was not here. You should be thanking UI for bringing you business and always providing you with a</DIV>
<DIV>never ending supply of students who like to drink and dance. John's Alley seems to be</DIV>
<DIV>doing okay, I mean they are putting more money into their building to make it more</DIV>
<DIV>attractive than any other place in town. I don't hear Vertical Dave or Jordan complaining about the idea of a campus pub driving their patrons away. This is not Florida St, we will not see a campus pub anytime soon.</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM>Phil:</EM> John's Alley's customers are much older than CJ's. John's Alley also has a lot of the locals. Have you ever been inside CJ's? </STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV>The campus eateries do pay taxes, as they are not owned by the University. </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM>Phil:</EM> I was told differently. So the University is paying property tax where these eateries are? I don't think so. I was also told the eateries do not pay taxes on all of their equipment. Called personal property tax. I do. Granted they may be paying income tax.</STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV>All of the food at UI is contracted out to outside organizations. If Mingles wanted to open up</DIV>
<DIV>shop or Pita Pit or any other restaurant in town, they could. Latah Federal Credit</DIV>
<DIV>Union has a branch on campus. The Prospector went out of business because of shoddy</DIV>
<DIV>business practices, not because UI opened a food court. I remember the Prospector</DIV>
<DIV>being full at mid day with students and faculty alike, eating, drinking and having a</DIV>
<DIV>good time.</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM>Phil:</EM> Thanks for the education on The Prospector although I can't imagine him dumping a thriving business. That is ...... unless he had to.</STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV>Don't blame business going under on UI, without UI, business would not</DIV>
<DIV>survive in Moscow.</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM>Phil:</EM> You are absolutely correct. UI also depends on the businesses too. Don't ya think? It's like a marriage.</STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV>Blame Wal-Mart and the proposed Moscow Home Depot for putting out business on</DIV>
<DIV>the Palouse, not UI.</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG> <EM>Phil:</EM> Why would I want to blame Wal-Mart? Wal-Mart is leaving. </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Home Depo? Hmmmmmmm.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Is Home Depo gonna be on campus?</STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV>----- Original Message -----</DIV>
<DIV>From: Shelly <<A href="mailto:CJs@Turbonet.com">CJs@Turbonet.com</A>></DIV>
<DIV>Date: Saturday, April 2, 2005 4:55 pm</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: [Spam] [Vision2020] 1912 Levy Issues</DIV>
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<DIV>> Tim,</DIV>
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<DIV>> I am pleased to see that the University "our tax dollars" are</DIV>
<DIV>> being used at</DIV>
<DIV>> a fine facility I must add. When I was in High School, we did not</DIV>
<DIV>> have wall</DIV>
<DIV>> climbing, fly fishing, in line hockey, biking, camping, but we did</DIV>
<DIV>> have a</DIV>
<DIV>> tennis court. You asked me about a primer climbing wall. We never</DIV>
<DIV>> had a wall</DIV>
<DIV>> to climb. These are luxury's in my book. We did it the old fashion</DIV>
<DIV>> way. Sit</DIV>
<DIV>> ups, push ups, jumping jacks, squats, running in place and running</DIV>
<DIV>> aroundthe neighborhood. Do other High Schools offer all these fine</DIV>
<DIV>> classes?</DIV>
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<DIV>> Regarding "physical activity" you are only bussing them less than</DIV>
<DIV>> a mile I</DIV>
<DIV>> think. Just think if they "walked" they would have their 150</DIV>
<DIV>> minutes in</DIV>
<DIV>> physical activity. Then there would be no expense for gas.</DIV>
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<DIV>> If you really want a new High School it could be funded if the</DIV>
<DIV>> Universitywas forced to pay taxes on everything it has taken off</DIV>
<DIV>> the rolls. Forget</DIV>
<DIV>> what they say about "portions" being paid. I pay it all. They</DIV>
<DIV>> should pay it</DIV>
<DIV>> all. Don't raise our citizen taxes any higher. Make the state or the</DIV>
<DIV>> University pay for the new High School.</DIV>
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<DIV>> Phil</DIV>
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<DIV>> -------Original Message-------</DIV>
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<DIV>> From: Timothy Rigsby</DIV>
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<DIV>> Date: 04/02/05 16:07:57</DIV>
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<DIV>> To: <A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></DIV>
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<DIV>> Subject: [Spam] [Vision2020] 1912 Levy Issues</DIV>
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<DIV>> Phil:</DIV>
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<DIV>> I don't know about the downfalls of the science lab, but I do know</DIV>
<DIV>> that if</DIV>
<DIV>> the</DIV>
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<DIV>> science lab is not up to par, it is not the only facility at MHS</DIV>
<DIV>> that would</DIV>
<DIV>> fall</DIV>
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<DIV>> into this category.</DIV>
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<DIV>> The Physical Education Department, for whom I have worked</DIV>
<DIV>> extensively with</DIV>
<DIV>> this</DIV>
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<DIV>> school year, is lacking proper and safe facilities as well. Ms. Karla</DIV>
<DIV>> Harman</DIV>
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<DIV>> busses her students to the University of Idaho Tuesday-Friday to</DIV>
<DIV>> participate</DIV>
<DIV>> in Outdoor Education classes. Ms. Harman?s students receive</DIV>
<DIV>> instruction on</DIV>
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<DIV>> Wall Climbing, Fly Fishing, Inline Hockey, Biking, Camping, and</DIV>
<DIV>> RacquetSports to</DIV>
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<DIV>> name a few activities. I doubt very seriously that even with a</DIV>
<DIV>> remodel of</DIV>
<DIV>> the</DIV>
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<DIV>> 1912 center, that these activities could take place in the</DIV>
<DIV>> remodeled space.</DIV>
<DIV>> Would</DIV>
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<DIV>> you be willing to let students play inline hockey at CJ?s instead of</DIV>
<DIV>> building a</DIV>
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<DIV>> new building?</DIV>
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<DIV>> Not only is Ms. Harman taking her students off campus, but Mr.</DIV>
<DIV>> Amos and Ms.</DIV>
<DIV>> Barnes</DIV>
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<DIV>> are as well. Bussing students off campus takes away from the</DIV>
<DIV>> student?s</DIV>
<DIV>> activity time. According to the governing authority of Physical</DIV>
<DIV>> Education,</DIV>
<DIV>> NASPE, students should receive a minimum of 150 minutes per week</DIV>
<DIV>> in vigorous</DIV>
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<DIV>> physical activity. By bussing students, we are cutting their</DIV>
<DIV>> classroom time</DIV>
<DIV>> to</DIV>
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<DIV>> about 35 or 40 minutes per day. Once you figure instruction or</DIV>
<DIV>> demonstration</DIV>
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<DIV>> and introduction of new skills, the students may only get about 20</DIV>
<DIV>> to 25</DIV>
<DIV>> minutes</DIV>
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<DIV>> of vigorous activity time. 100 minutes per week is nowhere near</DIV>
<DIV>> the NASPE</DIV>
<DIV>> standard</DIV>
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<DIV>> of 150 minutes.</DIV>
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<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>> Considering that Unleaded gas is running $2.19 today per gallon</DIV>
<DIV>> and diesel</DIV>
<DIV>> is</DIV>
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<DIV>> sitting right around $2.70, so I hear, I think that building this</DIV>
<DIV>> new school</DIV>
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<DIV>> would help cut down considerably on the fuel cost to bus these</DIV>
<DIV>> students to</DIV>
<DIV>> far</DIV>
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<DIV>> off playing fields and gymnasiums.</DIV>
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<DIV>> If this bond passes, and I hope to hell it will, the students will</DIV>
<DIV>> more than</DIV>
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<DIV>> likely not have to be bussed daily off campus to participate in</DIV>
<DIV>> activity</DIV>
<DIV>> classes. Granted, in order for wall climbing to take place, they</DIV>
<DIV>> will still</DIV>
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<DIV>> get bussed to UI, but this unit is typically only three weeks with the</DIV>
<DIV>> students</DIV>
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<DIV>> bussed a maximum of 15 times. When you were in school Phil, were you</DIV>
<DIV>> climbing up</DIV>
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<DIV>> a premier climbing wall, learning to fly fish, or playing games</DIV>
<DIV>> such as</DIV>
<DIV>> Omnikin</DIV>
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<DIV>> Ball or Pickleball? You probably don?t even know what Pickleball</DIV>
<DIV>> or Kin</DIV>
<DIV>> ball are</DIV>
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<DIV>> do you? Students at MHS have one heck of a physical education</DIV>
<DIV>> program and</DIV>
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<DIV>> are extremely fortunate to have what little facilities they have</DIV>
<DIV>> as is.</DIV>
<DIV>> Giving</DIV>
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<DIV>> these students a new school that is light years ahead of where</DIV>
<DIV>> they are now</DIV>
<DIV>> will</DIV>
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<DIV>> not only help the morale of the students but also will help</DIV>
<DIV>> further the</DIV>
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<DIV>> educational opportunities these students are missing out on.</DIV>
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<DIV>> Tim Rigsby</DIV>
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<DIV>> Student, University of Idaho</DIV>
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<DIV>> College of Education</DIV>
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<DIV>> Physical Education, School & Community Health Education, and Sport</DIV>
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