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<DIV><FONT size=4><FONT size=3>All,<BR><BR>Perhaps this has been a most useful
discussion.<BR><BR>But perhaps if the word "hunter" or "person" had been used
instead of <BR>"Indian," offense would not have been taken, mistaken motives
might not have <BR>been attached, and most of the group might have seen that
there was a bit of <BR>realty reflected by the joke. [Before I get
slapped, I am not saying all <BR>managers are screw-ups!]<BR><BR>I am in the
same boat as LJ, except older. Both my parents were vehemently
<BR>prejudiced most of their lives toward a lot of groups [though they did
<BR>change a little in their elder years] as were most of my peers through my
<BR>under graduate years at the UI ending in the spring of 1962.<BR><BR>Language
usage is a habit. Habits are automatic and most of the time
<BR>unconscious. I have worked hard to change some of my improper
<BR>sexist/racist/etc. language habits, but approaching senility, I sometimes
<BR>screw up.<BR><BR>There are some individuals and groups who I consider to be
an egregious <BR>threat to a free and/or healthy society. I will continue
to use any <BR>language I deem accurate and proper to describe them -- PC be
damned. I <BR>disagree with these persons and groups because of their
ideas and resulting <BR>actions, not because of their race, gender, or sexual
preference.<BR><BR>I often disagree with religious groups. In fact, I see some
religious <BR>beliefs as manipulative and self-serving and many, if not most, as
<BR>delusional, and exhibiting plain mental health problems.<BR><BR>As a person
who has hired many people for many firms in my consulting <BR>career, I have
not/do not discriminate on the basis of religious belief. I <BR>believe
that all persons are entitled to hold those beliefs, although they <BR>are not
entitled to take all actions which proceed from those beliefs nor <BR>are those
beliefs immune from critical comment and analysis.<BR><BR>When I was the
planning and zoning coordinator Boundary County, I was <BR>severely criticized
by a surprisingly large number of public employees and <BR>members of the public
for hiring a very bright, fervent young Mormon and a <BR>very, bright, fervent
young Jehovah Witness. On their breaks and lunch <BR>hours they argued
loudly and very hotly (and amusingly). However, during <BR>work times,
they performed their tasks excellently and served the county <BR>very
well. That was what they were being paid to do.<BR><BR>Please give middle
aged LJ and old me a little leeway. Except for the <BR>reckless stupidly
of some persons and groups were I might use some language <BR>some might
consider intemperate to describe, if I slip and say "man" or <BR>"woman" instead
of "person" it is not because I discriminate or am <BR>prejudiced, but because
at my advancing age, habits of a lifetime are <BR>strong, especially when I am
tired or preoccupied.<BR><BR>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<BR></FONT><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com"><FONT
size=3>deco@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><BR><FONT size=3>----- Original Message
----- <BR>From: <</FONT><A href="mailto:debismith@moscow.com"><FONT
size=3>debismith@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=3>><BR>To: "LuJane Nisse
publisher" <</FONT><A href="mailto:lujane@lataheagle.com"><FONT
size=3>lujane@lataheagle.com</FONT></A><FONT size=3>>; <BR><</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
size=3>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=3>><BR>Sent: Saturday,
February 19, 2005 10:34 PM<BR>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] buffalo<BR><BR><BR>>
LuJane, this was a "no-brainer". Agreed, it is difficult to know what is
<BR>> politically<BR>> correct, particularly when one chooses not to be
"exposed" to groups <BR>> outside one's<BR>> own, but this was a
blatant violation of decency.<BR>> Debi R-S<BR>><BR>>
From: "LuJane Nisse
publisher" <</FONT><A href="mailto:lujane@lataheagle.com"><FONT
size=3>lujane@lataheagle.com</FONT></A><FONT size=3>><BR>>
To:
"lfalen" <</FONT><A href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com"><FONT
size=3>lfalen@turbonet.com</FONT></A><FONT size=3>>, <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
size=3>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=3>><BR>>
Subject: RE: [Vision2020]
buffalo<BR>> Date sent: Sat, 19 Feb 2005
17:28:07 -0800<BR>> Copies to:<BR>><BR>> [ Double-click this line for
list subscription options ]<BR>><BR>> everything almost these days is
racist or politically incorrect. Difficult<BR>> to even talk these days with
breaking egg shells.<BR>><BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>>
From: </FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com"><FONT
size=3>vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT size=3>>
[mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]On Behalf Of lfalen<BR>> Sent:
Saturday, February 19, 2005 4:19 PM<BR>> To: </FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
size=3>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT size=3>> Subject:
[Vision2020] buffalo<BR>><BR>><BR>> Re: Melynda Huskey's comment. It
never occurred to me that the joke might <BR>> be<BR>> taken as racist. It
was a joke on upper management. I think you are a <BR>> little<BR>> thin
skinned. I hve some Indian blood and it did not even cross my mind <BR>>
that<BR>> it might be taken as
racist.<BR>></FONT><BR></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>