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Dear Ms. Three-legged Mule, I agree entirely with your second
paragraph. I am not a regular reader of Economist but occasionally am
referred to their work. I cannot comment on any previous
prognostications they've made about Iraq.<br>
<br>
Allow me, with all due respect, to remind you of a few (perhaps
inconvenient) facts. First, this reportage was not from the editorial
desk of The Economist. Secondly, when the editors endorsed John Kerry
for president in 2004 they referred quite bluntly to Bush as
"incompetent" a week before this article was published. Accordingly, I
find little evidence that this article shows any "apologist" leanings
but I do well understand the statistics. Also, Human Rights Watch,
hardly a patsy for the Bush adminsitration, questioned the varacity of
the report.<br>
<br>
Twain said "There are lies, damn lies, then there are statistics." (and
me with a not-so-insignificant education in quantitative analysis -
what was it? - "Don't try to teach your grandmother to such eggs"?" I'd
be glad to brag about my education if you wish, but I'm not inclined
to.)<br>
<br>
You get one demerit on credibility. I'll ignore it as blind bias.
Something that I am guilty of as well from time to time.<br>
<br>
Dave Budge<br>
<br>
Joan Opyr wrote:<br>
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<div>Thanks for the information, Dave. I'm a regular reader of <strong>The
Economist</strong>, though, as you can imagine, we part company on many
issues. The Iraq War was one of those issues -- The Economist has
spent the past four years making a variety of excuses for Mr. Bush's
poor planning and conduct of the war, at least in part, I believe, as
some kind of defense for endorsing him in 2000. (Oh, what a boo-boo.)</div>
<div> </div>
<div>It wouldn't surprise me in the least to learn that <strong><u>all</u></strong>
causes of death had gone up in Iraq, and that those were taken into
account as well as deaths directly attributable to violence. Imagine:
the country is in complete and utter turmoil. Phone service is
sporadic; there is no functioning police force; the hospitals are
understaffed, overcrowded, and short on supplies. Fallujah has been
flattened. The water's dirty, the lights won't stay on, and you can't
drive safely from one end of Baghdad to the other. So, you're pregnant
and need to get to the delivery room. The cord's knotted around the
baby's neck. Bad outcome. Grandpa falls and breaks his hip.
Ordinarily, this wouldn't kill him, but under the circumstances, he
doesn't get the treatment he needs, he develops a secondary infection,
and he dies. These, too, are casualties of war; they're casualties of
the chaos of war.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment</div>
<div><a href="http://www.auntie-establishmentcom">www.auntie-establishment.com</a></div>
<div> </div>
<div>PS: <strong>The Economist</strong> has been wrong on virtually <u><strong>all</strong></u>
of its Iraq predictions/analyses thus far. Dead wrong. Call me
foolish, call me stubborn, call me a three-legged mule, but I'll stick
with <strong>The Lancet</strong>. If this war follows the pattern of
all previous conflicts, we won't have any accurate figures on the
civilian casualties until years after the conflict has ended</div>
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Joan,<br>
<br>
Just FYI re: The Lancet study - not that this will assuage the horror, <br>
but again, one must be cautious when using statistics. The confedence <br>
interval is 95% from 8,000 to 196,000 deaths. The sample was small,
and <br>
the study includes all deaths, violent or natural. <br>
<br>
Dave Budge<br>
<br>
>From The Economist 11/4/04<br>
<br>
Money Quote:<br>
<br>
The study can be both lauded and criticised for the fact that it<br>
takes into account a general rise in deaths, and not just that<br>
directly caused by violence Of the increase in deaths (omitting<br>
Fallujah) reported by the study, roughly 60% is due directly to<br>
violence, while the rest is due to a slight increase in accidents,<br>
disease and infant mortality. However, these numbers should be taken<br>
with a grain of salt because the more detailed the data--on causes<br>
of death, for instance, rather than death as a whole--the less<br>
statistical significance can be ascribed to them.<br>
<br>
The Entire Article:<br>
<br>
<br>
The Iraqi war<br>
<br>
Counting the casualties<br>
Nov 4th 2004<br>
>From The Economist print edition<br>
<br>
<br>
AP<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
A statistically based study claims that many more Iraqis have died in <br>
the conflict than previous estimates indicated<br>
<br>
THE American armed forces have long stated that they do not keep track <br>
of how many people have been killed in the current conflict in Iraq
and, <br>
furthermore, that determining such a number is impossible. Not
everybody <br>
agrees. Adding up the number of civilians reported killed in confirmed <br>
press accounts yields a figure of around 15,000. But even that is
likely <br>
to be an underestimate, for not every death gets reported. The question
<br>
is, how much of an underestimate?<br>
<br>
A study published on October 29th in the Lancet, a British medical <br>
journal, suggests the death toll is quite a lot higher than the <br>
newspaper reports suggest. The centre of its estimated range of death <br>
tolls--the most probable number according to the data collected and the
<br>
statistics used--is almost 100,000. And even though the limits of that <br>
range are very wide, from 8,000 to 194,000, the study concludes with
90% <br>
certainty that more than 40,000 Iraqis have died.<br>
<br>
<br>
Numbers, numbers, numbers<br>
<br>
This is an extraordinary claim, and so requires extraordinary evidence.
<br>
Is the methodology used by Les Roberts of the Johns Hopkins University <br>
School of Public Health, in Baltimore, and his colleagues, sound enough
<br>
for reliable conclusions to be drawn from it?<br>
<br>
The bedrock on which the study is founded is the same as that on which <br>
opinion polls are built: random sampling. Selecting even a small number
<br>
of individuals randomly from a large population allows you to say
things <br>
about the whole population Think of a jar containing a million marbles,
<br>
half of them red and half blue. Choose even 100 of these marbles at <br>
random and it is very, very unlikely that all of them would be red. In <br>
fact, the results would be very close to 50 of each colour.<br>
<br>
The best sort of random sampling is one that picks individuals out <br>
directly. This is not possible in Iraq because no reliable census data <br>
exist. For this reason, Dr Roberts used a technique called clustering, <br>
which has been employed extensively in other situations where census <br>
data are lacking, such as studying infectious disease in poor countries.<br>
<br>
Clustering works by picking out a number of neighbourhoods at
random--33 <br>
in this case--and then surveying all the individuals in that <br>
neighbourhood. The neighbourhoods were picked by choosing towns in Iraq
<br>
at random (the chance that a town would be picked was proportional to <br>
its population) and then, in a given town, using GPS--the global <br>
positioning system--to select a neighbourhood at random within the
town. <br>
Starting from the GPS-selected grid reference, the researchers then <br>
visited the nearest 30 households.<br>
<br>
In each household, the interviewers (all Iraqis fluent in English as <br>
well as Arabic) asked about births and deaths that had occurred since <br>
January 1st 2002 among people who had lived in the house for more than <br>
two months. They also recorded the sexes and ages of people now living <br>
in the house. If a death was reported, they recorded the date, cause
and <br>
circumstances. Their deductions about the number of deaths caused by
the <br>
war were then made by comparing the aggregate death rates before and <br>
after March 18th 2003.<br>
<br>
They interviewed a total of 7,868 people in 988 households. But the <br>
relevant sample size for many purposes--for instance, measuring the <br>
uncertainty of the analysis--is 33, the number of clusters. That is <br>
because the data from individuals within a given cluster are highly <br>
correlated. Statistically, 33 is a relatively small sample (though it
is <br>
the best that could be obtained by a small number of investigators in a
<br>
country at war). That is the reason for the large range around the <br>
central value of 98,000, and is one reason why that figure might be <br>
wrong. (Though if this is the case, the true value is as likely to be <br>
larger than 98,000 as it is to be smaller.) It does not, however, mean,
<br>
as some commentators have argued in response to this study, that
figures <br>
of 8,000 or 194,000 are as likely as one of 98,000. Quite the contrary.
<br>
The farther one goes from 98,000, the less likely the figure is.<br>
<br>
The second reason the figure might be wrong is if there are mistakes in
<br>
the analysis, and the whole exercise is thus unreliable. Nan Laird, a <br>
professor of biostatistics at the Harvard School of Public Health, who <br>
was not involved with the study, says that she believes both the <br>
analysis and the data-gathering techniques used by Dr Roberts to be <br>
sound. She points out the possibility of "recall bias"--people may have
<br>
reported more deaths more recently because they did not recall earlier <br>
ones. However, because most people do not forget about the death of a <br>
family member, she thinks that this effect, if present, would be small.
<br>
Arthur Dempster, also a professor of statistics at Harvard, though in a
<br>
different department from Dr Laird, agrees that the methodology in both
<br>
design and analysis is at the standard professional level. However, he <br>
raises the concern that because violence can be very localised, a
sample <br>
of 33 clusters really might be too small to be representative.<br>
<br>
This concern is highlighted by the case of one cluster which, as the <br>
luck of the draw had it, ended up being in the war-torn city of <br>
Fallujah. This cluster had many more deaths, and many more violent <br>
deaths, than any of the others. For this reason, the researchers
omitted <br>
it from their analysis--the estimate of 98,000 was made without <br>
including the Fallujah data. If it had been included, that estimate <br>
would have been significantly higher.<br>
<br>
The Fallujah data-point highlights how the variable distribution of <br>
deaths in a war can make it difficult to make estimates. But Scott <br>
Zeger, the head of the department of biostatistics at Johns Hopkins,
who <br>
performed the statistical analysis in the study, points out that <br>
clustered sampling is the rule rather than the exception in <br>
public-health studies, and that the patterns of deaths caused by <br>
epidemics are also very variable by location.<br>
<br>
The study can be both lauded and criticised for the fact that it takes <br>
into account a general rise in deaths, and not just that directly
caused <br>
by violence. Of the increase in deaths (omitting Fallujah) reported by <br>
the study, roughly 60% is due directly to violence, while the rest is <br>
due to a slight increase in accidents, disease and infant mortality. <br>
However, these numbers should be taken with a grain of salt because the
<br>
more detailed the data--on causes of death, for instance, rather than <br>
death as a whole--the less statistical significance can be ascribed to
them.<br>
<br>
So the discrepancy between the Lancet estimate and the aggregated press
<br>
reports is not as large as it seems at first. The Lancet figure implies
<br>
that 60,000 people have been killed by violence, including insurgents, <br>
while the aggregated press reports give a figure of 15,000, counting <br>
only civilians. Nonetheless, Dr Roberts points out that press reports <br>
are a "passive-surveillance system". Reporters do not actively go out
to <br>
many random areas and see if anyone has been killed in a violent
attack, <br>
but wait for reports to come in. And, Dr Roberts says, <br>
passive-surveillance systems tend to undercount mortality. For
instance, <br>
when he was head of health policy for the International Rescue
Committee <br>
in the Congo, in 2001, he found that only 7% of meningitis deaths in an
<br>
outbreak were recorded by the IRC's passive system.<br>
<br>
The study is not perfect. But then it does not claim to be. The way <br>
forward is to duplicate the Lancet study independently, and at a larger
<br>
scale. Josef Stalin once claimed that a single death is a tragedy, but
a <br>
million deaths a mere statistic. Such cynicism should not be allowed to
<br>
prevail, especially in a conflict in which many more lives are at
stake. <br>
Iraq seems to be a case where more statistics are sorely needed.<br>
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