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<DIV><BR>Thank you Deborah Gray! It's about time something was said! I don't yet live in Moscow yet, (Moving in June) but I don't have the picture of a harmonious town! I am actually French/American, (currently in Lyon) and to tell you the truth, the french debates on tv here sound better than v2020! I guess you'd have to have seen a French debate to know what I mean, but I normally can't stand listening to them. </DIV>
<DIV>I agree with Deborah: a little less criticism please!! It doesn't help when done like this!!</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Send Vision2020 mailing list submissions to<BR>vision2020@moscow.com<BR><BR>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<BR>http://mailman.fsr.com/mailman/listinfo/vision2020<BR>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR>vision2020-request@moscow.com<BR><BR>You can reach the person managing the list at<BR>vision2020-owner@moscow.com<BR><BR>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>than "Re: Contents of Vision2020 digest..."<BR>Today's Topics:<BR><BR>1. do you kiss your mother w/that mouth? (Deborah Gray)<BR>2. RE:RE: [Vision2020] Land Use (stigmatta x)<BR>3. Re: Deep Sea Creatures - Found At Phuket SeasideAfterTSUNAMI<BR>(Janice Willard)<BR><BR><BR>> ATTACHMENT part 3.1 message/rfc822 <BR>From: Deborah Gray <DGRAY@UIDAHO.EDU><BR>Subject: [Vision2020] do you kiss your mother w/that mouth?<BR>Date: Wed, 26 Jan 20!
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01:22:43 -0600<BR>To: vision2020@moscow.com<BR><BR>Could people just settle down and quit with the juvenile name calling? The genitalia? The veiled threats? The US vs THEM mentality?<BR><BR>WHAT does this have to do with our "vision" of Moscow? It certainly isn't my vision, it's more like a hideous destructive mantra being played over and over again! I wouldn't tolerate this behavior from my 6 year old! <BR><BR>And it really makes me wonder how this town can come together and accomplish anything for the common good without a cyber fistfight breaking out. This isn't a dialogue, or even a debate. It's like putting Bill O'Reilly and The Reverend Al Sharpton in a room with 34 pots of espresso and letting them monologue each other to death.<BR><BR>Have we nothing better to talk about? Something constructive? Oh no, those topics are mainly ignored in the rush to out-clever the latest nasty post.<BR><BR>Come on people, imagine if you were all in a large meeting room. Would this ga!
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flying out of your mouth?<BR><BR>And I pity the poor fool who lectures me about using the delete key...<BR><BR>*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*<BR>Debbie Gray dgray@uidaho.edu<BR>*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>> ATTACHMENT part 3.2 message/rfc822 <BR>From: "stigmatta x" <CITIZENX@ROCK.COM><BR>Subject: RE:RE: [Vision2020] Land Use<BR>CC: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Date: 25 Jan 2005 23:28:54 -0800<BR>To: "Faul Ottomaticks" <FAULOTTOMATICKS@HOTMAIL.COM><BR><BR>
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<P class=MsoNormal>you are totally out of control dude. </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Me, I prefer to use my genitalia to torment </P>
<P class=MsoNormal>The hippy chicks at the coop. </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Back to the point of your new posters though </P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Faul and myself are merely the initial point </P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Forces in the advance. </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>As ive said be warned </P>
<P class=MsoNormal>The majority of conservative and non conservative </P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Libertarians, anarchists, anti-Marxists, Machiavelliaists, </P>
<P class=MsoNormal>and regular guys who are completely fed up with the whiney </P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Socialist pap that oozes out of this board have put you on notice. </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>The revolution is over, your side lost. Be glad we are not putting </P>
<P class=MsoNormal>You up to the wall like you had planned to do with us. </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>We know who you all are; you have been observed, photographed, </P>
<P class=MsoNormal>And catalogued as to the degree of threat you posed. </P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Go back to your professions and leave politics to those who know </P>
<P class=MsoNormal>What they are doing. </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Citizen x </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Move along sheep; move along, nothing to see here. </P>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #eaeaea"><B>From: </B>Faul Ottomaticks<faulottomaticks@hotmail.com> </DIV><B>To: </B><vision2020@moscow.com> <BR><B>Subject: </B>RE: [Vision2020] Land Use <BR></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV><FONT face=courier size=1><BR><BR>>From: "Tom Hansen" < <A href="http://webmail.rock.com/COMPOSE/COMPOSER/thansen%40moscow.com>">thansen@moscow.com> </A>; <BR>>To: "'Art Deco'" < <A href="http://webmail.rock.com/COMPOSE/COMPOSER/deco%40moscow.com>">deco@moscow.com> </A>;, "'Vision 2020'" < <A href="http://webmail.rock.com/COMPOSE/COMPOSER/vision2020%40moscow.com>">vision2020@moscow.com> </A>; <BR>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Land Use <BR>>Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 18:41:47 -0800 <BR>> <BR>>It really is quite simple, Wayne. <BR>> <BR>>Faul, Citizen X, or whatever else he/she/it wants to hide behind lacks <BR>>sufficient quantity of the appropriate genetalia to step forward and <BR>>identify him/her/itself. This is a common trait among cowards as they hide <BR>>behind bushes thumping their backboneless chests ready to hurriedly run <BR>>home <BR>>to their mommy at the slightest provocation. <BR>> <BR>>T!
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is an anticipated result of our rally last Thursday, the rally <BR>>whose purpose it was to shed light under a few rocks and see what crawls <BR>>out <BR>>from under. <BR>> <BR>>Your presence alone, Citizen X (as anonymous and cowardly as it is) <BR>>reflects <BR>>that our purpose has been achieved and in fact we have won. <BR>> <BR>>So, in closing, I must commit one last act of defiance against ignorance . <BR>>. <BR>>. *flush*. <BR>> <BR>>Good-bye, Citizen X. <BR>> <BR>>Tom "I am" Hansen <BR>>Moscow, Idaho <BR><BR><BR>Citizen Hansen, <BR><BR>And now your hat is in the ring. <BR><BR>To begin: a backboneless chest is quite normal. The backbone goes, ahem, in <BR>the back. Perhaps even you wear one occasionally. See also: a sternumless <BR>back. <BR><BR>You have crystallized the listwide correlation between genitals and courage. <BR>And to be fair, at first I didn't see it. <BR><BR>Then it hit me: it takes far more courage to n!
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your genitals. <BR><BR>Cowards flip them around at the slightest provocation. Sort of like a <BR>baboon's attempt at dominance. He may not be the sharpest knife (sorry, <BR>crayon) but he sure has a set. <BR><BR>Which crayon are you, citizen? Burnt umber? That was my favorite, too! <BR><BR>But, I digress. Back to the genital thing. <BR><BR>It's this continuous drumbeat of institutionalized promiscuity that has <BR>skewed society dangerously to the left. Today's youth don't hold fidelity, <BR>love, and passion in the same regard as our generation, citizen. But that's <BR>okay. The schools teach kids how to put condoms on cucumbers. You should be <BR>happy with that. <BR><BR>Moral compasses just don't sell like they used to, citizen. At least not in <BR>Moscow. And especially not on this list. <BR><BR>Proud to be a beacon of hope, <BR><BR>Faul Ottomaticks <BR><BR>_________________________________________________________________ <BR>FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolba!
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So according to these web sites you listed, it looks like the creatures are likely real, just the claim that they were found on the beaches after the tsunami is not.....sounds like truth (the creatures) was stranger than fiction (where they were found). </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm still trying to find out whether there is truth behind the claim that there were very few animals caught by the waves, that they somehow perceived (perhaps heard wave subsonics) and fled before the tsunami hit. None of the biologists and ethologists on my other lists could verify whether this was true or just something the news media dreamed up. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And also in the truth is stranger than fiction category, I heard the other day that research has supported the anecdotal evidence that dogs are capable to smelling and being trained to detect the difference between cancerous and normal cells. People have reported their dogs "alerting" on previously undetected tumors. Puts a whole new spin on the phrase "going to the hospital to get a lab test." Perhaps we could put those trained detection dogs that Bill London was asking about to an additional use?</FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This is an urban legend and the claim is false.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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