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<DIV>I hope that Pat is now taking another look at Mr. Bush. I saw
again last night on NOW with Bill Moyer (PBS) overwhelming evidence
that the entire administration lied to us about going to war in Iraq
and the program had the evidence to back it up. It is too bad the
entire nation didn't see that program. I think it is repeated on Sunday
night.</DIV>
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<DIV>They showed Bush, Cheney, Powell, Rumsfeld and Rice all lying in speeches
when they had evidence that what they were saying was wrong. I've known all
along that they had lied but this program had it all in one package. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Dick Schmidt</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rwiza@hotmail.com href="mailto:rwiza@hotmail.com">katetegeilwe
rwiza</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 29, 2004 7:11
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] Bush and War with
Iraq</DIV>
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<P>Pat,</P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3>Part of President Bushs decision-making was based on his consultation
with the higher father. This statement is supported by facts from the
following WebPages: </FONT><A
href="http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2003/07/56790.php"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"
size=3>http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2003/07/56790.php</FONT></A><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>, </FONT><A
href="http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2003/07/56790.php"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"
size=3>http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2003/07/56790.php</FONT></A><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>, </FONT><A
href="http://www.q77.com/iraqwar/afpnews/afp226.htm"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"
size=3>http://www.q77.com/iraqwar/afpnews/afp226.htm</FONT></A></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3>Other good sources are books by </FONT><A
href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books&field-author=Woodward%2C%252520Bob/002-0408869-2325634"><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: none"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>Bob Woodward</FONT></SPAN></A><FONT size=3><FONT
face="Times New Roman"> <B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Bush at
War</B></FONT><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> &
</SPAN></B></FONT><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><A
href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/074325547X/qid=1099102024/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-0408869-2325634?v=glance&s=books"><SPAN
style="COLOR: windowtext; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: none"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>Plan of Attack</FONT></SPAN></A><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> <BR></FONT></B><BR
style="mso-special-character: line-br"><BR
style="mso-special-character: line-break"></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3>Rwiza</FONT></P>
<P><BR><BR> </P><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>1204 South Main #401, </DIV>
<DIV>Moscow,</DIV>
<DIV>Idaho 83843,</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>USA</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV>Tel.: 1-208-596-1584</DIV>
<DIV>WebPage: <A
href="http://www.uidaho.edu/~rwiz2091">http://www.uidaho.edu/~rwiz2091</A></DIV></DIV></DIV>----Original
Message Follows---- From: "Dick Schmidt" <dickschmidt@moscow.com> To:
"Pat Kraut" <pkraut@moscow.com>, "vision2020"
<vision2020@moscow.com> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Youth and discernment
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:00:31 -0700 Pat, I heard that on a PBS discussion
and I believe I also heard that on nightly news when someone asked him about
it. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: Pat Kraut To: vision2020 Sent:
Thursday, October 28, 2004 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Youth and
discernment I didn't hear that he ever said God told him to invade Iraq! Where
did you get that? PK ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Schmidt To: Joan
Opyr ; Vision2020 Moscow Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 8:43 PM Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Youth and discernment Pat, Anyone who has been paying attention
to the issues and what has transpired in the past! 4 years under Bush sure
wouldn't be voting to put him back for another term. I'm thinking that he is
pretty close to a religious fanatic because he said God told him to invade
Iraq. There are enough fanatics running countries in this world and we sure
don't need one running ours. Dick Schmidt ----- Original Message ----- From:
Joan Opyr To: Vision2020 Moscow Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 11:31 PM
Subject: [Vision2020] Youth and discernment Pat writes: "I have come to the
conclusion that people shouldn't be allowed to vote until they are 30 and have
finished serious classes about the two parties and the candidates. AND about
our history and what the different parts of our government actually do. I
really am coming to believe that some people just shouldn't have the vote. All
these kids that Ophra and others are getting registered only know what people
are telling them. They have not yet paid enough taxes, tried to start a
business or gone far enough in life to learn who th! ey really are and what
they really think. I know that because I was on e of them. When I talk to
people about our history and form of government I am well aware that too many
people weren't listening in History classes." While the young arguably lack
experience and occasionally wisdom, it's also the case that there's no fool
like an old fool. Those 18 year-olds that Oprah and others are registering to
vote represent our primary supply of warm, willing bodies for the war in Iraq.
It's not the old white farts of Congress -- or of Latah County -- who are out
there patrolling the sands of Samarra. And it's not the wrinkled and arthritic
who will be paying off our national debt. No, it's those poor benighted young
people, the ones Pat thinks ought to be disenfranchised who will be (and are)
saddled with our burdens. If anyone should be denied the vote, perhaps it's
those of us who are sitting here at home on our ignorant fat asses, watching
reruns of "Murder She Wrote," racking up debt, and blowing out smoke about
wolves and terrorists, snipe hunts ! and tax cuts. Youth doesn't make you
stupid and age doesn't make you smart. Not only is discernment hard to
measure, it's damned hard to find -- kind of like a fart in a Jacuzzi. You
see, I did listen in history class, and what I learned is that the old bitch
tends to repeat herself. Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment
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