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<DIV><FONT face="Verdana Ref" size=4>Pat,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Verdana Ref" size=4>You say:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Verdana Ref" size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Verdana Ref">"I don't care who their leader is and I would
accept <FONT size=5><STRONG>him</STRONG></FONT> because it was<BR>their choice
even if I disapproved."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Verdana Ref" size=4>Does that mean you'd accept Hitler, Idi
Amin, etc.?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Verdana Ref" size=4>And why "him" instead of "him/her" or
"her/him"?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Verdana Ref" size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Verdana Ref" size=4>John Donne wrote a long time ago:
</FONT><FONT face="Verdana Ref" size=4>"No man is an island." The
more humankind researches, the more humankind discovers
the non-severable connections between people [and people and all living
things and the physical world].</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Verdana Ref" size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Verdana Ref" size=4>No country is an island either. There
are lots of worldwide, horrendous problems [e.g.: terrorism, toxic
contamination, genocide, etc.] for which an amicable international solution is
now mandatory. Without international goodwill toward and trust in our
country, acceptable international solutions of these problems are
improbable.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Verdana Ref" size=4>That's why international goodwill toward
and trust in American leaders is important.</FONT></DIV><FONT face="Verdana Ref"
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<DIV><BR>Wayne</DIV>
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<DIV>Art Deco (Wayne Fox)<BR><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Verdana Ref" size=4>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face="Verdana Ref" size=4>From: "Pat Kraut" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:pkraut@moscow.com"><FONT face="Verdana Ref"
size=4>pkraut@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face="Verdana Ref"
size=4>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Verdana Ref" size=4>To: "vision2020" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face="Verdana Ref"
size=4>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face="Verdana Ref"
size=4>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Verdana Ref" size=4>Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 10:41
PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Verdana Ref" size=4>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Polls Show U.S.
Image is Slipping</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Verdana Ref"><BR><FONT size=4></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT
face="Verdana Ref" size=4>| So, France and Germany don't want to play nice its
the end of the world??<BR>| What about Belgium? What about Australia? Don't they
count. Bush has done a<BR>| great job of working with those who will and
discounted those who won't.<BR>| France is not going to send troops I don't care
who is president. It is<BR>| insulting for Kerry to suggest that if he is in
charge they will. And if it<BR>| is true I am even more insulted that they would
try to manipulate me that<BR>| way! I don't care who their leader is and I would
accept him because it was<BR>| their choice even if I disapproved. I expect the
same respect from them.<BR>| Kerry is so elitist its disgusting!<BR>| <BR>|
----- Original Message ----- <BR>| From: "Donovan Arnold" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:donovanarnold@hotmail.com"><FONT face="Verdana Ref"
size=4>donovanarnold@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face="Verdana Ref"
size=4>><BR>| To: <</FONT><A href="mailto:pkraut@moscow.com"><FONT
face="Verdana Ref" size=4>pkraut@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face="Verdana Ref"
size=4>>; <</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
face="Verdana Ref" size=4>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT
face="Verdana Ref" size=4>><BR>| Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 9:05
PM<BR>| Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Polls Show U.S. Image is Slipping<BR>| <BR>|
<BR>| > This is not 1804 Ms. Kraut, the United States does not live in a
vacuum.<BR>| The<BR>| > President of the United States HAS to be able to deal
with other nations<BR>| to<BR>| > address the problems of this nation. The
quagmire in Iraqi is evidence of<BR>| > the problems the US encounters when
it is not able to develop good<BR>| > diplomatic relations with other foreign
governments.<BR>| ><BR>| > North Korea and Iran are both now developing
weapons of mass destruction<BR>| > because of Bush's inability to deal with
these nations as other Presidents<BR>| > have. Oil prices going sky high,
directly impact the United States. How<BR>| many<BR>| > US solders that are
killed, are directly impacted by the President's<BR>| > diplomatic
abilities. How many us citizens in other countries are<BR>| beheaded<BR>|
> or killed are impacted by the President's diplomatic abilities. If a<BR>|
nation<BR>| > attacks us is dependent upon the Diplomatic abilities of the
President.<BR>| ><BR>| > Nobody is suggesting that other people gain the
right vote in the US if<BR>| they<BR>| > are not US citizens. But don't you
think that a President lacking<BR>| diplomatic<BR>| > skills is a bit scary
when we are at war and shouldn't it be a concern<BR>| when<BR>| > voting to
fill the position?<BR>| ><BR>| > Donovan J Arnold<BR>| ><BR>| >
>From: "Pat Kraut" <</FONT><A href="mailto:pkraut@moscow.com"><FONT
face="Verdana Ref" size=4>pkraut@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face="Verdana Ref"
size=4>><BR>| > >To: "vision2020" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face="Verdana Ref"
size=4>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT face="Verdana Ref" size=4>><BR>|
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Polls Show U.S. Image is Slipping<BR>| >
>Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 19:00:34 -0700<BR>| > ><BR>| > >Bush is
not their president or leader...he is mine and I like him and I<BR>| >
>don't care whether 'they' do or not. They don't get a vote...at least
not<BR>| > >legally and I do. I don't understand all this concern for
Europe and<BR>| their<BR>| > >thoughts about us. The press doesn't seem to
care what I think of Europe<BR>| so<BR>| > >I don't understand why I
should care about them. I understand that to<BR>| Kerry<BR>| > >and his
followers this is as big a news event as Viet Nam...but I don't<BR>| >
>care about that either. Both are non-news. Let try to fix our real<BR>| >
>problems...and not send anymore attorneys to Washington DC.<BR>| >
>PK<BR>| > > ----- Original Message -----<BR>| >
> From: Tom Hansen<BR>| > > To: </FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT face="Verdana Ref"
size=4>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face="Verdana Ref" size=4>|
> > Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 10:13 AM<BR>| >
> Subject: [Vision2020] Polls Show U.S. Image is Slipping<BR>|
> ><BR>| > ><BR>| > > From today's (October 16,
2004) Spokesman Review -<BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| >
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>| >
><BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| > > Polls show U.S.
image is slipping<BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| >
> Majority of foreigners polled like Americans, dislike Bush<BR>|
> ><BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| > > By Beth
Gardiner<BR>| > ><BR>| > > Associated Press<BR>| >
><BR>| > > October 16, 2004<BR>| > ><BR>| >
><BR>| > ><BR>| > > LONDON - America's popularity
around the world has taken a beating in<BR>| > >recent years, according to
a set of coordinated polls conducted in 10<BR>| > >different countries.
But the survey also found that despite widespread<BR>| > >animosity toward
President Bush, huge majorities said they have a good<BR>| > >opinion of
Americans.<BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| >
> "We like Americans, we don't like Bush," was how Britain's
Guardian<BR>| > >newspaper summarized the results of the surveys published
Friday.<BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| > >
The polls found that to an overwhelming degree, respondents in most of<BR>| >
>the countries have a more negative view of the United States now than a<BR>|
few<BR>| > >years ago, disapprove of the war in Iraq and dislike Bush.
Democratic<BR>| > >challenger John Kerry is favored - often by landslide
proportions - in<BR>| all<BR>| > >but two of the nations.<BR>| >
><BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| >
> But even in France, often seen as a bastion of
anti-Americanism, 72<BR>| > >percent said they had a favorable view of
Americans, compared to 24<BR>| percent<BR>| > >with an unfavorable
opinion, the poll found.<BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| >
> The polls, commissioned by major papers in each country,
were<BR>| conducted<BR>| > >in Canada, France, Britain, Spain, Japan,
South Korea, Australia, Mexico,<BR>| > >Israel and Russia. Not all
questions were asked in every country.<BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| >
><BR>| > > On average, 57 percent said they had a worse
opinion of the United<BR>| > >States than two to three years ago, compared
to 20 percent who said they<BR>| > >had a higher opinion now. That
question was asked in each country except<BR>| > >Russia.<BR>| >
><BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| > > In eight of the
nations, more people said their view of America had<BR>| > >worsened than
improved. Seventy-four percent of Japanese, 70 percent of<BR>| > >French,
67 percent of South Koreans, 64 percent of Canadians and 60<BR>| percent<BR>|
> >of Spaniards said they had a lower opinion of America now than a
few<BR>| years<BR>| > >ago.<BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| >
><BR>| > > Only in Israel - whose prime minister, Ariel
Sharon, has won strong<BR>| > >backing from Bush - did more people say
their view of the United States<BR>| had<BR>| > >improved than worsened,
by a margin of 40 percent to 26 percent.<BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| >
><BR>| > > Americans - the people, not the government - can
feel well-loved,<BR>| maybe<BR>| > >because foreigners so happily soak up
U.S. movies, TV and music and<BR>| > >frequent McDonald's and
Starbucks.<BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| >
> Overall, 68 percent of those questioned said they had a
favorable<BR>| > >opinion of Americans, compared to 23 percent with a
negative view.<BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| >
> Eighty-six percent of Russians, 81 percent of Israelis, 74
percent of<BR>| > >Japanese and 73 percent of Canadians reported positive
views of<BR>| Americans.<BR>| > >The lowest figure was in Spain, where 47
percent said they had a positive<BR>| > >view and 32 percent
negative.<BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| >
> In nine countries, huge majorities said they had an
unfavorable<BR>| opinion<BR>| > >of Bush, whom critics accuse of
conducting a unilateralist foreign policy<BR>| > >that disregards the
views of other nations, even close friends.<BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>|
> ><BR>| > > The president may not be bothered by the
results - he says he makes<BR>| > >decisions for the good of America even
if they make him unpopular<BR>| overseas.<BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>|
> ><BR>| > > People in all 10 countries were asked who
they hoped to see win the<BR>| > >White House Nov. 2. Kerry was favored in
eight of the nations including<BR>| > >France, where 72 percent supported
him compared to 16 percent for Bush.<BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| >
><BR>| > > In South Korea, it was 68 percent for Kerry and
18 percent for Bush;<BR>| in<BR>| > >Canada, 60 percent to 20 percent; in
Spain, 58 percent to 13 percent; 54<BR>| > >percent to 28 percent in
Australia; and 50 percent to 22 percent in<BR>| > >Britain.<BR>| >
><BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| > > Bush came out on
top in Israel by a margin of 50 percent to 24 percent<BR>| > >and in
Russia, 52 percent to 48 percent.<BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| >
><BR>| > > On Iraq, 68 percent of people - majorities in
seven out of eight<BR>| > >countries - said the U.S. was wrong to invade,
while 25 percent thought<BR>| war<BR>| > >was the right decision.<BR>|
> ><BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| > > In an
Associated Press poll this fall, a majority surveyed in eight<BR>| >
>countries said they believed the Iraq war has increased the threat of<BR>|
> >terrorism. Just over half of respondents in the United States and<BR>|
> >two-thirds or more of respondents in Australia, Britain, Canada,
France,<BR>| > >Germany, Italy, Mexico and Spain said they believed Iraq
has increased<BR>| the<BR>| > >terrorist threat, according to the AP-Ipsos
polls.<BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| > >
The newspapers involved in the polling published Friday were La Presse<BR>| >
>in Canada, Le Monde in France, the Guardian in Britain, El Pais in
Spain,<BR>| > >Asahi Shimbun in Japan, JoongAng Ilbo in South Korea, the
Sydney Morning<BR>| > >Herald and Melbourne Age in Australia, Reforma in
Mexico, Haaretz in<BR>| Israel<BR>| > >and the Moscow News in Russia.<BR>|
> ><BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| > > The sample
sizes in the 10 polls varied from 522 people in Israel to<BR>| > >1,417 in
Australia. Margins of error were mostly around 3 percentage<BR>| >
>points, but varied between 2.6 percent and 4.38 percent. The polls were<BR>|
> >conducted on different dates from September through early October.<BR>|
> ><BR>| > ><BR>| > ><BR>| ><BR>|
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