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<P>Pat,</P>
<P>When we kill civilians in our 'surgical strikes' in Sadr City or Fallujah, don't you think that Iraqis are more likely to remember those deaths than their new pencil boxes? Remember our illegal attempts to assassinate Hussein at the beginning of the war? The second time around, we blew up a restaurant, killing women and children. That is never mentioned in our press, the long dead having little news value.</P>
<P>But if they were my family, I'd never forget, and I doubt the families who lose relatives daily will either. We have attacked and occupied a country that did nothing to us. We have created a disaster, and we kill their people every day. You can pretend this is going to work out well, but you will have to keep looking for delusional news providers to find 'good news' about the occupation. <BR><BR>Sunil</P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>From: "Pat Kraut" <pkraut@moscow.com>
<DIV></DIV>>To: "vision2020" <vision2020@moscow.com>
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Saudi Arabia: Free and Fair Elections?
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:03:50 -0700
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<DIV></DIV>>I am disappointed by your pessimism which is so much like all you hear from the US Press. But, for me its like this: Paul Cisneros of the new show CSI: New York has been on all the talk shows talking about his project to send school supplies to the kids through the soldiers and this means that the children are learning a new way of life. Most importantly they are learning to read so that they don't have to believe what their leaders tell them they can read it for themselves. The soldiers are helping these kids go to school and stay there. If you don't read beyond the major press you don't know this and everything in Iraq is bad to you...but there is good happening. It won't happen easy or soon...but it can happen.
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<DIV></DIV>> We have military bases there, but we are not "occupying" Germany, Japan or Cuba with troops and tanks in their streets. In South Korea, we have a more active military presence, actually guarding a border, but this is with the relatively stable South Korean government's permission.
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<DIV></DIV>> I am pointing out that we could be militarily "occupying" Iraq for decades to prevent all hell from breaking loose (as if with us there now all hell is not breaking loose!). I doubt that if we leave the security of Iraq to Iraqis that we will see a democratic system emerge. If we really withdraw and leave the country to whatever the Iraqis come up with, we will see a brutal civil war or another brutal dictatorship.
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<DIV></DIV>> Ted Moffett
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