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<div>In other words, you think it is OK to demean others publicly, to
be religiously discriminatory, and to foster division in an effort to
see your views win out? </div>
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<div>Informing need not rely upon hate speech (your posts sound pretty
hateful). Discussing need not be rude or spiteful.
Describing someone's stance doesn't mean using the most extreme or
divisive term is necessary or worthwhile. And disagreeing with a
position or view does not mean someone is anti- (e.g., you probably
would not say you are anti-Christian or anti-religion because you
disagree, evey staunchly, with some of it).</div>
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<div>Freedom of speech without conscience equals?</div>
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<div>Avoiding taxes when I can,</div>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="+1">Sean,</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="+1">I have written
extensively on this forum and others about
tolerance.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="+1">I encourage everyone with
any view what-so-ever to express and to argue for that view. As
far as ideas go, my tolerance ends there.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="+1">All ideas are subject to
critical evaluation and comment. That is the reason freedom of
expression is the cornerstone of an open, democratic
society.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="+1">I doubt that you wish me
to re-express my critique of the Christ Church Cult's ideas at this
point. I call them a cult because they are. Various V 2020
posters have posted various academic, observation-based, scholarly
based tests of cult activity and pointed out how the CCC meets most of
those criteria. You can find this out for yourself if you can
Google.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="+1">I make no apology for
being critical of a sexist, homophobic, arrogantly dishonest,
anti-secular, anti-public education, manipulative, hypocritical, tax
avoiding cult. If you find this idea demeaning, so be
it.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="+1"><br>
Wayne</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
size="+1"> </font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="+1">Art Deco (Wayne
Fox)<br>
</font><a href="mailto:deco@moscow.com"><font
size="+1">deco@moscow.com</font></a><br>
<blockquote>----- Original Message -----</blockquote>
<blockquote><b>From:</b> <a
href="mailto:o2design@wsu.edu">sean</a></blockquote>
<blockquote><b>To:</b> <a
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></blockquote
>
<blockquote><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 20, 2004 1:22
PM</blockquote>
<blockquote><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Response to Kimmell: Part
I, DiscriminatoryHiring/Contracting Practices</blockquote>
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<blockquote>Interesting information. Worth knowing more
about.</blockquote>
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<blockquote>I wonder, however, why you, Wayne, feel the need to
demean others' religion in the process of raising concerns about
unethical practices. Is it because you are similarly guilty of
discrimination?</blockquote>
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<blockquote>As it is you confuse the issues surrounding the alleged
practices by potentially raising outrage at not only Kimmell but
yourself. Somehow I doubt you would consider similar venomous
language to be acceptable by others in the community if it were
leveled at groups you support. Yet it seems being a liberal
makes it OK to insult others. Or is it just that those
liberals who lack self-control give a bad name to the
rest?</blockquote>
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<blockquote>If one bad apple doesn't spoil the rest, it certainly may
make the others be avoideddespite their good character. I
guess that goes for apples and organizations (both liberal and
conservative).</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Verdana"
size="+1"><b>Preface</b></font><br>
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<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">On August 27, 2004, a
pseudo-folksy column by Paul Kimmell appeared in the<i> Daily News</i>
[appended below]. This column was an apparent attempt to respond
to some of the many criticisms made of Kimmell's actions in his dual
role as Moscow Chamber of Commerce Executive Director and Latah County
Commissioner. Because Kimmell's column did not address certain
important issues and dishonestly addressed others, a multi-part
response is in the works to set the record straight.</font><br>
</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">This first part deals with
discriminatory hiring/contracting practices the favoring of Christ
Church Cult members/businesses in hiring and contracting practices by
the chamber and county an issue that Kimmell did not choose to
address in his Pollyanna column.</font><br>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1"><b>Discriminatory
Hiring/Contracting Practices</b></font><br>
</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">As Executive Director of
the Moscow Chamber of Commerce, Kimmell hired at least five fellow
Christ Church Culties as employees. Assessing generously in his
favor the odds of fairly hiring even one cultie from all the possible
applicants in the area at 1 in 50 (with replacement), the odds of
fairly hiring five culties are about 1 in
315,000,000!</font></blockquote>
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<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">One of the culties hired
was Kimmell's current wife, Connie. Can you also say NEPOTISM?
[More about the Kimmell/Kimmel connection at the chamber will be
forthcoming in the posts on chamber financials.]</font><br>
</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">A few more of the
allegations that a considerable amount of chamber money was spent in a
discriminatory manner for part-time work and contracted services are
as follows:</font><br>
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<blockquote><font
size="+1">Ї <font
face="Verdana"> Hiring eight cultie children directly without any
attempt to find other children to do a special
project.</font></font><br>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote><font
size="+1">Ї <font
face="Verdana"> A disproportionate amount of catering done by Zume, a
cult member based business housed in the NSA tenement. [Some
chamber members are also not enamored by the quality of the alleged
comestibles served.]</font></font><br>
</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote><font
size="+1">Ї <font
face="Verdana"> A disproportionate number of entertainments at chamber
functions provided by Eric Engerbretson, a cultie and cultie
apologist. [According to some chamber members, a little of Eric
goes a long way.]</font></font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><br>
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<blockquote><font
size="+1">Ї <font
face="Verdana"> The contracting of the design, programming, and
maintenance of the chamber website to inexperienced, inept amateurs
from NSA for over $22,000.</font></font><br>
</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">As county commissioner,
Kimmell recently used his influence to help install a cultie in a
clerical position in the Latah County Courthouse.</font><br>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1"><b>Effects of
Discriminatory Hiring/Contracting Practices</b></font><br>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">Discrimination based on
religious preference/practice is contrary to state and federal law.
This is especially true of public institutions and those organizations
like the chamber that thrive in part because of public tax monies
received.</font><br>
</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">There are many secondary
effects that can arise from this discriminatory misuse of public
money:</font><br>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">Public agencies who have
contributed to the chamber either through dues or grants can demand
that those past contributions be returned for the entire period that
the discrimination has occurred. These agencies can use court
action to force the return of such monies, if necessary.</font><br>
</blockquote>
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<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">Further, the public
agencies themselves can be forced to return funds which were given to
them under laws and contracts prohibiting discriminatory practices by
vendors and/or other service organizations to that public
agency.</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">Public agencies giving
money to organizations practicing discrimination (such as the chamber
has for the last three or four years) face a loss of community
goodwill. Just losing a little goodwill can cause a public
agency to lose a levy request or lose support for a budget
increase.</font><br>
</blockquote>
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<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">I have little doubt that
unless the chamber apologizes for, stops the discriminatory practices,
and removes the individual (Kimmell) responsible for them, that the
public agencies supporting this past discrimination with public funds
will themselves be the object of some very unpleasant community wrath,
protest, and action.</font><br>
</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1"><b>As for the pathetic
chamber website</b>, chamber members have been willfully and
arrogantly ripped off. Besides its marginal graphical design and
overall structural inadequacies, important parts of the website are
dysfunctional. There is no search mechanism to find member
businesses [Google provides such programming free]. You can't
even use the web browser edit function to find a business since the
business names, etc. occur in graphic files! Hence, even if you
go through the slow process of going page by page to find a member
business, you can't copy the individual business information from the
graphic page. Further, it does not appear that simple
maintenance procedures that chamber employees could use have been
created; therefore the chamber is dependent on the NSA students to
maintain the website. Needless to say, the information on the
chamber website is out of date.</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">A professional could have
created for the chamber a graphically and functionally well designed
website. Such a design would have provided chamber members with
the search ability and visibility for their businesses and
organizations they have a right to expect. The website building
and cost from a professional? Probably under $5,000!</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">Instead, under Kimmell's
religious discriminatory contracting practices, inexperienced, inept
students from cult business NSA have been paid over $22,000 and the
product is marginal at best. This is con-artistry at its small
town worst!</font></blockquote>
<blockquote><br></blockquote>
<blockquote><br>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote><br>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">Kimmell's discriminatory
practices also show that in addition to getting "oversight"
from Christ Church Cult Master Douglas Wilson as a Latah County
Commissioner, Kimmell's obeying orders from the Cult Master is aiding
the Cult Master's A-Religious-Kingdom-for-Myself ambitions using our
tax money.</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">[Question: Do the
culties knowingly hired/contracted through these discriminatory
practices, a process of community theft, hypocritically continue to
call themselves "Christians" or have they in their heart of
hearts (but not publicly) given up such a pretense?]</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><br>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">Obviously, discrimination
based on religious preference/practice is in itself grossly unfair.
It steals from everyone in the community both opportunity and possible
income. Therefore, this kind of discrimination is little more
than common theft and its perpetrator, Paul Kimmell, is little more
than a common thief. These discriminatory practices in the name
of the chamber make that organization look like a bunch of common
thieves also.</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">Previous posters have
described Kimmell and other some chamber board members as very
"community minded" and "nice." Kimmell may
be "charming," but to describe him and his co-conspirators
using the words "nice" and "community minded" when
they are, in effect, common thieves using tax money to finance their
hateful discriminatory practices is a gross misuse of the English
language.</font><br>
</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1"><b>Silence of the Chamber
Board</b></font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">Although they have been
asked several times and by several different persons to comment on the
above described discriminatory practices, members of the board have
not yet made any public comment on this issue. [At least one
member, however, has said, "It is none of the public's
business."]</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">Although the chamber board
has been silent on this issue, one influential past president of the
chamber has commented. Jon Kimberling in a series of exchanges
with myself, made these remarks, perhaps speaking for the present
chamber:</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><br></blockquote>
<blockquote><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font size="+1">Wayne - as past president of the
Chamber and someone who spent a year on City Council working with
Paul, I can tell you he is a man of great integrity. The Chamber
board questioned him about his hiring's. It is my belief that he
hired the best people for the job - some happened to be associated
with the church. I don't know about you but I have a tendency to
associate myself with people who have similar values. Is that so
wrong? ..."</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font size="+1">"Whatever the math, there is still
every possibility that the Chamber went through a thorough process in
each hiring and that the best candidate was chosen.</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font size="+1">When I said: "I have a tendency to
associate myself with people who have similar values," Is that so
wrong? I should have continued and explained that I believe Paul
networked with local business people, church members and anyone else
he knows to advertise the jobs. It was certainly no secret at
the Chamber and we were all encouraged to get the word out. I
don't deny the appearance of favoritism..."</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">The sentence comparing Jon
Kimberling's practices to Paul Kimmell's practices: "I have
a tendency to associate myself with people who have similar values.
Is that so wrong?" perhaps explains in part why the chamber has
ignored not only state and federal law but the rights and reasonable
expectations of everyone in the community in their hiring/contracting
practices.</font><br>
</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote><br>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1"><b>Solution</b></font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">There is a simple solution
that any prudent business person would pursue when faced with the
problems described above.</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">1.</font><font
size="+1"
> <span
></span> <font face="Verdana"> Apologize to the
community which provides its funding for past missteps, and as far as
legally and fairly possible, correct them.</font></font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">2.</font><font
size="+1"
> <span
></span> <font face="Verdana"> Design, write, and
scrupulously follow procedures which provide for advertising,
screening, and hiring/contracting such that all of the qualified
candidates in our community have an equal chance of being considered
and hired for any chamber position or contracted
service.</font></font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">3.</font><font
size="+1"
> <span
></span> <font face="Verdana"> Immediately dismiss
Paul Kimmell as executive director. His open, arrogant violation
of state and federal law and his cause of the community loss of
respect for and confidence in the chamber by discriminatory practices
stealing opportunity and income from all of us and forcing his
religion down our throats and using our tax money in the process, are
grounds, in and of themselves, for instant
dismissal.</font></font></blockquote>
<blockquote><br></blockquote>
<blockquote><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">If the chamber board
refuses with the stubbornness and community insensitivity they have so
far exhibited to do these three simple steps, they will certainly be
surprised at the outrage and action that will pour forth from insulted
and concerned members of the community.</font><br>
</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">/s/ Wayne A. Fox</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><br>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">Wayne A. Fox</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">1009 Karen Lane</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">P.O. Box 9421</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">Moscow, ID
83843</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font face="Verdana" size="+1">(208) 882-7975</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><a href="mailto:waf@moscow.com"><font face="Verdana"
size="+1">waf@moscow.com</font></a><br>
</blockquote>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote><font size="+1">______________________________</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font size="+1">From The<i> Daily News</i></font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font size="+1">______________________________</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font size="+1"><b>COLUMN: Trying to live peaceable lives
in Moscow</b></font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font size="+1"><i>Paul J. Kimmell</i></font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font size="+1">As a child, I would wander through
Philadelphia staring at the Liberty Bell and through Independence Hall
not knowing what that "experiment in liberty" was all about
or that the men who signed the Declaration of Independence had risked
their lives, fortunes, honor, and reputations for a very risky
proposition.</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font size="+1">During my years of public service, I've
come to realize the great amount of scrutiny that one in such a
position is under. Much has been written of my dual roles of late,
both as a Latah County commissioner and as executive director of the
Moscow Chamber of Commerce.</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font size="+1">Unlike some in the media and in the
community, I am accountable to all of you in one form or another. For
the record, I wish to respond to some of these recent attacks on my
character and the organizations I work for.</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font size="+1">First of all, I want to assure those of
you involved in the chamber of commerce our financial situation is not
grim but in fact fairly healthy. In the 3 1/2 years I have been with
the organization, our bottom line has improved steadily. While some of
our numbers have been taken out of context, it is difficult to explain
them without looking at them as a whole and in one setting, which is
what our Executive/Finance Committee does every month. They have
realized areas that needed to be fine-tuned, and have provided great
direction to our outside bookkeeper, making sure each account is
properly categorized.</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><br></blockquote>
<blockquote><font size="+1">During this process, some items have
needed to be moved from the Chamber Foundation to the Chamber - again,
per the Executive/Finance Committee. That is what some of these
numbers that have been discussed reflect. This committee is well aware
of the Foundation's and the Chamber's status - none of these decisions
have been made without their direction, contrary to what some have
implied. This same volunteer-based committee and Chamber Board
continue to provide this important oversight while making suggestions
as to how we provide our membership and the community with quality
services. This is a group of small-business owners dedicated to
improving and protecting Moscow's quality of life and
business.</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font size="+1">I am also very proud of our chamber staff
and the tremendous amount of work they produce on behalf of Moscow and
its businesses. Like many of you, they're overworked and underpaid,
but I appreciate how well they represent this community when the phone
rings or a visitor stops in for travel information.</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font size="+1">As the community's "front door,"
the chamber is often the first impression someone has of Moscow. We
take this responsibility seriously and we make sure it is a warm and
inviting one. We operate on a fairly small budget and we rely on the
great generosity of our business community to help us provide these
services.</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font size="+1">Can we do better? Absolutely.</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font size="+1">I'm often reminded just how fortunate we
are to live in a place where crime is low, the air is clean and the
culture is abundant.</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font size="+1">I am also very aware of the importance in
protecting these assets, our farms and farmlands, our forests and
lumber mills, our water and other resources, our businesses and
institutions and, most importantly, our people and our community's
rich heritage.</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font size="+1">Moscow is a great community full of
genuine, caring and active citizens. I am thankful that I live in a
country where I have not needed to worry about liberty or freedom,
that the past and present sacrifices of those in the armed forces
protect us.</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font size="+1">As of late, however, there has been a
small but loud group of displeased persons who claim tolerance, yet
they are showing how intolerant they are of other religious and/or
moral views.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote><br></blockquote>
<blockquote><font size="+1">It's important for me, and others, to keep
in mind the majority of us are trying to live in an area that we are
convinced is one of the best places on Earth to live and raise our
families.</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font size="+1">I am concerned some have grown suspicious
of others in our community and harsh words have been expressed.
Accusations have been made about one another and those who have
control of the "public square."</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font size="+1">Moscow is far too good a town for this
kind of behavior to continue. Our founding fathers would have expected
more, and so should we.</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><font size="+1">* Paul J. Kimmell is executive director of
the Moscow Chamber of Commerce and a Latah County
commissioner.</font><br>
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<blockquote>Thanks,<br>
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* * * * * * * *<br>
Sean Michael<br>
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