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<div>Although I did not attend Mr. Kimmel's presentation, I did skim
through the provided slides online. I am confused, however,
about which of Lee's leadership principles or which character traits
(e.g., brave, gentle, generous, noble, character in defeat) are Mr.
Hansen and others suggesting are not to be valued? </div>
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<div>If the concern in emails such as the one below are about who was
used to reflect values, but that the values themselves are agreeable,
then that is worth saying. If the principles and traits are not
valued then that also is worth stating so that readers are
clear.</div>
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<div>I am also unclear whether Mr. Hansen and others are disputing
whether Lee personified some or all of those traits as a general, or
whether he was one of the most effective military leaders in U.S.
history.</div>
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<div>Perhaps the issue is whether readers believe a leader's actions
in personal life can be separated from public leadership.
Further, whether errors in judgement, including moral ones, invalidate
laudable leadership. Perhaps it will seem a stretch, but not too
long ago this nation debated whether a president could choose to act
in immoral ways, harming others, and still be a leader worth following
and remembering for his positive traits.</div>
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<div>Again, specifically, I would like to know which of the PRINCIPLES
of leadership that were cited are not what Moscow's community leaders
can expect to be<u> effective</u>. Separately, it would valuable
to read which readers consider to be cited principles that are not in
keeping with the reader's values (it is probably worth not trying to
speak for large segments of Moscow, but rather for one's self).</div>
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<div>The slides nicely break out the principles Mr. Kimmel seems to
have espoused, so it should be easy for respondents to find them and
not get lost on sidetracking issues (e.g., it seems to make little
sense to spend so much time on Lee in a presentation, rather than
drawing from his principles and then just focusing on them, showing a
Confederate flag is likely to do little to help listeners get the
principles). Unless of course avoiding the questions posed here
is desired.</div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>s</div>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">Greetings Visionaires
-</font></blockquote>
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size="-1"> </font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">The following was
provided to me by an unknown source who desires to remain nameless
(and so it shall be), requesting that I post it here. Although
the source is nameless, I feel that it reflects the heart-felt opinion
of an ever-growing portion of the Moscow
citizenry.</font></blockquote>
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size="-1"> </font></blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">On August 5th, Moscow
Chamber of Commerce Executive Director presented a Power Point lecture
on the Leadership Principles of Robert E. Lee.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
size="-1"> </font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">Mr. Kimmell's text, which
does not cite an author, is drawn largely from Robert E. Lee on
Leadership : Executive Lessons in Character, Courage, and Vision by
H.W. Crocker III. Prima Publishing. </font></blockquote>
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size="-1"> </font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">Favorable reviews from
Casper Weinberger, Dinesh D'Sousza and S. Partrick Presley blurb the
back cover of this book. </font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">Mr. Crocker is a
"longtime student of Robert E. Lee, is the executive editor of
Regnery Publishing Inc. He serves on the board of the Southern
Military Institute, writes a column on Civil War books for Southern
Partisan magazine, and has written on military history for
National Review, American Spectator, and other publications"
according to the back cover.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
size="-1"> </font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">(Regnery Publishing is a
conservative publishing house carrying such authors as Ann Coulter,
Patrick J. Buchanan, Dinesh D'Souza, General Joshiah Bunting, well,
you get the picture. Southern Partisan Magazine is a notorious
neo-Confederate magazine (</font><a
href="http://www.fair.org/press-releases/southern-partisan.html"><font
size="-1">http://www.fair.org/press-releases/southern-partisan.html</font
></a><font size="-1">)</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
size="-1"> </font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">(The Southern Military
Institute - a yet to be formed college -</font> <a
href="http://www.south-mil-inst.org/html/about_us.html"><font
size="-1">http://www.south-mil-inst.org/html/about_us.html</font></a><font
size="-1">)</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
size="-1"> </font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">"In the tradition of
the original "Institute," SMI will be a small engineering
and science institution emphasizing the foundations of Christian faith
and morality. It will also provide a sound background in the history
of Western Civilization, American politics, Constitutional studies,
and military history. SMI will be steeped in southern tradition and
will re-establish the all-male Corps of Cadets, the Gentleman's Honour
System, the "Brother-Rat" Class System, and the traditional
"Ratline" basic training system. SMI will sponsor programs
that advance the knowledge and awareness of Southern history and
culture including the honouring of Confederate Memorial Day and New
Market Day, which celebrates the valor of the VMI cadets at the Battle
of New Market, Virginia on the 15th of May,
1864"</font></blockquote>
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size="-1"> </font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">The gratuitous inclusion
of photographs of Confederate Generals Jeb Stuart and Stonewall
Jackson don't really have much to do with Robert E. Lee's leadership.
I am unclear why they are included in the presentation - except to
bolster the Confederate image. </font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
size="-1"> </font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">From Crockers
book:</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
size="-1"> </font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">"Robert E. Lee was a
leader for the ages. The man heralded by Winston Churchill as
"one of the noblest Americans who ever lived" inspired an
out-manned, out-gunned army to achieve greatness on the battlefield.
He was a brilliant strategist and a man of unyielding courage who, in
the face of insurmountable odds, nearly changed forever the course of
history.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
size="-1"> </font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">"A masterpiece-the
best work of its kind I have ever read. Crocker's Lee is a Lee for all
leaders to study; and to work, quite deliberately, to emulate." -
Major General Josiah Bunting III, superintendent of the Virginia
Military Institute [which as nearly as I can tell from the VMI
website exists only on paper]</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
size="-1"> </font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">In this remarkable book,
you'll learn the keys to Lee's greatness as a man and a leader. You'll
find a general whose standards for personal excellence was second to
none, whose leadership was founded on the highest moral principles,
and whose character was made of steel. You'll see how he remade a
rag-tag bunch of men into one of the most impressive fighting forces
history has ever known. You'll also discover other sides of Lee-the
businessman who inherited the debt-ridden Arlington plantation and
streamlined its operations, the teacher who took a backwater college
and made it into a prestigious university, and the motivator who
inspired those he led to achieve more than they ever dreamed possible.
Each chapter concludes with the extraordinary lessons learned, which
can be applied not only to your professional life, but also to your
private life as well.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
size="-1"> </font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">Today's business world
requires leaders of uncommon excellence who can overcome the cold
brutality of constant change. Robert E. Lee was such a leader. He
triumphed over challenges people in business face every day. Guided by
his magnificent example, so can you."</font></blockquote>
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size="-1"> </font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">Visionaries should be
prepared for the usual defense of race based slavery (the page number
is the page number of Mr. Kimmell's presentation)</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
size="-1"> </font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">Duty, he [Lee] believed
in, yes. But duty directed one to serve people, not principles.
Lee's attachment to what was tangible and real - the soil of Virginia,
to his family, friends, and neighbors of the Old Dominion, helps
explain his loyalty to the South in the War Between the States.
Lee would not consent to raising a sword - or having other raise a
sword - against his own people..... slaver owner were to be made
free:, as Lee had hoped they would be, "that process should be
achieved through oral persuasion, free legal advice - not by force."
page 14 (emphasis in the original)</font></blockquote>
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size="-1"> </font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">Leaving aside the
silliness connected with free legal advice for slaves, leaving aside
the powerful word "IF" in describing potential emancipation
this is the same old clap trap that comes from all apologist of the
Lost Cause mythology, and causes pictures of Robert E. Lee to hang in
classroom(s) in Logos School.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font
size="-1"> </font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">Read this presentation
and weep that such an example is being used in this community with the
support of the executive board members of the Chamber of Commerce
(</font><a
href="http://www.tomandrodna.com/notonthepalouse/Kimmell"><font
size="-1">http://www.tomandrodna.com/notonthepalouse/Kimmell</font></a
><font size="-1">)</font></blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">Take
care,</font></blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">Tom
Hansen</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">Not On The Palouse (Or
Monroe, Louisiana), Not Ever</font></blockquote>
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