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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Keely,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Yes condemning, not condoning it. My apologies,
changes this statement a bit.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>While I appreciate the tenor of your reply, I disagree
with one major point. Whether I am white, black, yellow or purple doesn't
change anything and is quite irrelevant (besides the fact that you don't even
know to which race I belong, irrelevant none the less). If what I am
saying is true, that truth is not changed by my race. If what I am saying
is false, it is false regardless of my race (still I find it interesting that it
appears you have assumed me a "white American male", I don't believe that I
revealed this fact, wouldn't it be interesting if I was African
American...). You are not addressing the argument, you are implying that
my race has something to do with these facts, and it doesn't.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>If we take up that kind of argument technique, then your
bias is just as relevant. We all come in with "baggage" but our personal
baggage does not change the truth. If I am white and somehow my position
on this issue is "convenient" that doesn't matter if it is true.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Truth is not bound by our failure to believe
it.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Ted Ryan</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=kjajmix1@msn.com href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=sslund@adelphia.net
href="mailto:sslund@adelphia.net">Saundra Lund</A> ; <A
title=sunilramalingam@hotmail.com
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">'Sunil Ramalingam'</A> ; <A
title=coffeemonkey100@hotmail.com
href="mailto:coffeemonkey100@hotmail.com">Ted Ryan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:36
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Re: Earlier
question</DIV>
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<DIV>Ted,</DIV>
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<DIV>In an earlier post, you said "condoning" multi-racial marriages was wrong
then and is wrong now. I trust you mean "condemning," if you then cite
the marriage of your friends as an example for all of us to follow.</DIV>
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<DIV>I'm glad you have friends who are able to provide you such enlightenment;
I was beginning to fear that you were suffocating in the rarefied air of
privilege, patriarchy, and prejudice. I am also glad to hear that
you don't ever want to see slavery again. Of course, since you're a
white American male, you won't . . . at least from the position</DIV>
<DIV>of being a slave.</DIV>
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<DIV>Which, actually, illustrates my earlier point: class privilege,
patriarchy, and the kind of prejudice that would allow you to seriously
advance the idea of happy Black slaves working in affectionate relationship
with their kindly White owners has a way of insuring that while you might
argue the wrong point regarding slavery, you'll never find your
perceptions corrected by being a slave yourself. Pretty
comfortable position, from which you might well consider reading a point of
view not informed by those in it with you.</DIV>
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<DIV>keely emerine mix </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:coffeemonkey100@hotmail.com">Ted Ryan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:sslund@adelphia.net">Saundra Lund</A> ; <A
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">'Sunil Ramalingam'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:21
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Re: Earlier
question</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Given that a few people have looked in the archives and
haven't found the<BR>list, it may be that I saw the list somewhere else led
to it by someone<BR>here. I will find it and post it.<BR><BR>I have
not read Mr. Douglas's works so I don't have much of a comment
about<BR>that, but certainly that would be relevant and considered. No
one is<BR>claiming all slaves were high on the hog, and if Mr. Douglas's
experience<BR>was bad it doesn't mean that everyone in turn had it
rough.<BR><BR>Again, I repeat myself, I am not advocating for slavery's
return, I am as<BR>glad as anyone it is gone. I never want to see it
again.<BR><BR>Ted Ryan<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message
-----<BR>From: "Saundra Lund" <<A
href="mailto:sslund@adelphia.net">sslund@adelphia.net</A>><BR>To: "'Ted
Ryan'" <<A
href="mailto:coffeemonkey100@hotmail.com">coffeemonkey100@hotmail.com</A>>;
"'Sunil Ramalingam'"<BR><<A
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</A>><BR>Cc:
<<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>Sent:
Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:03 AM<BR>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Re: Earlier
question<BR><BR><BR>> Ted Ryan wrote:<BR>> "There are a number of
books, especially ones written by those who lived<BR>during<BR>> those
times, that are in opposition to what is currently thought
and<BR>taught.<BR>> Just because a thousand people say it is so, doesn't
make it so. Try<BR>reading<BR>> some of these pieces, there are
many and I would be glad to provide<BR>reference<BR>> list if you
like."<BR>><BR>> Hmmm . . . well, I guess it's safe to assume that
_Narrative of the Life<BR>of<BR>> Frederick Douglass, An American Slave_
by Frederick Douglass *won't* be on<BR>that<BR>> list, in spite of the
fact that Mr. Douglass, who was also a minister,<BR>lived --<BR>> and was
owned -- during that time and wrote of his slavery
experiences<BR>himself.<BR>><BR>> Ted Ryan also wrote:<BR>>
"Although a short trip to the archives back in December will also
produce<BR>the<BR>> same list."<BR>><BR>> Well, thinking I'd missed
something, I went back & looked at the archives.<BR>Ted,<BR>> can you
please supply the list from December? Reviewing the messages<BR>again,
I<BR>> still couldn't find anything that fit your criteria ("ones written
by<BR>those who<BR>> lived during those times") other than references to
the noxious R.L.<BR>Dabney.<BR>> Obviously, I'm missing something or
missing some messages or something.<BR>><BR>><BR>> TIA,<BR>>
Saundra Lund<BR>> Moscow, ID<BR>><BR>> The only thing necessary for
the triumph of evil is for good people to do<BR>> nothing.<BR>>
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