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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I was taking issue with the word superior, a word
not used in the pamphlet. As far as the condition of multi-racial
relationships, that is highly dependent on geography. There would be a lot
of people in other parts of the country that would tell you (and have told me)
that the relations are non-existent in some places. In my limited
experience, the Northwest is entirely different than many other parts of the
country, so our perception is not necessarily representative of the
whole. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I would like to read some material that supports
your point, "But I am also saying I think they - and you - are wrong when
you make the claim that race relations in the South were harmonious and
mutually intimate." I lot of modern historians might agree, but what do
those that lived it have to say?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ted Ryan</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=sunilramalingam@hotmail.com
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">Sunil Ramalingam</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=coffeemonkey100@hotmail.com
href="mailto:coffeemonkey100@hotmail.com">coffeemonkey100@hotmail.com</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 31, 2004 12:40
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Earlier question</DIV>
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<P>Ted,</P>
<P>You say I am putting words in the mouths of the authors. OK, let's
look at the quote I was discussing:</P>
<P>'there has never been a multi-racial society that existed with such mutual
intimacy and harmony in the history of the world.'</P>
<P>That's what they published. I then wrote:</P>
<P>'In other words, race relations in that period were superior to those of
any other time and place, which I take to include our present time.'</P>
<P>I don't think that I'm putting words in anyone's mouth with my
paraphrase. If I'm mistaken in this, please tell me how. You say,
'They did not say that "race relations in that period were superior to those
of any other time and place".'</P>
<P>I disagree with you. I think that's exactly what they
said. What else did they mean by the statement I quoted at the top
of this post? </P>
<P>Yes, I am making the assumption that they would include the US at the time
of the publication of the pamphlet; if this is an incorrect assumption,
can you point to anything in the pamphlet that shows I should not make this
assumption? Mind you, I'm not saying we live in a multi-racial paradise
today, but I am prepared to say that as a society we have improved a
great deal. But I am also saying I think they - and you - are
wrong when you make the claim that race relations in the South were
harmonious and mutually intimate. </P>
<P>Sunil<BR><BR></P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>From: "Ted Ryan" <coffeemonkey100@hotmail.com>
<DIV></DIV>>To: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam@hotmail.com>
<DIV></DIV>>CC: <vision2020@moscow.com>
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: Earlier question
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 08:41:54 -0700
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Sunil,
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Look, you had time to ask the question in the first place, you
had time to ask me why I hadn't answered and now I am guilty of stealing you
away from your work and your family. You have not given any tone to
the conversation that has made it pleasant. If this is so difficult
for you why post in the first place? I did not accuse you of
hostility due to your work load; until you told me you had work to do, how am
I supposed to know?
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>I can certainly appreciate family time and encourage you to
partake, but don't get upset when you ask me to answer a question that was not
visible in the first place and even after finding it, was not easy to
decipher. The statements out of the slavery pamphlet WERE taken out
of context and given the delicate nature of the subject can be misused outside
of the whole text. This has already occurred in this forum, and I
fear, you are doing the same thing.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>You have already started putting words in the mouths of the
authors. They did not say that "race relations in that period were
superior to those of any other time and place". Even what they did
say doesn't mean that there are no race relations that are good right
now. Condoning a multi-racial marriage would have been wrong then
and it is wrong now. Like any marriage, if is entered into as it
should, race has no bearing. I am glad that you are happily married
and enjoy your children. My wife and I have good friends that are a
multi-racial couple, and they exemplify the kind of relationship we should all
have with those different then us.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Stop for a moment to read and consider what the authors of that
book actually said, not what you think they said.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>I will chase down those references and send them to you.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Ted Ryan
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