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<DIV>Ted,</DIV>
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<DIV>In an earlier post, you said "condoning" multi-racial marriages was wrong
then and is wrong now. I trust you mean "condemning," if you then cite the
marriage of your friends as an example for all of us to follow.</DIV>
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<DIV>I'm glad you have friends who are able to provide you such enlightenment; I
was beginning to fear that you were suffocating in the rarefied air of
privilege, patriarchy, and prejudice. I am also glad to hear that you
don't ever want to see slavery again. Of course, since you're a white
American male, you won't . . . at least from the position</DIV>
<DIV>of being a slave.</DIV>
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<DIV>Which, actually, illustrates my earlier point: class privilege,
patriarchy, and the kind of prejudice that would allow you to seriously advance
the idea of happy Black slaves working in affectionate relationship with their
kindly White owners has a way of insuring that while you might argue the wrong
point regarding slavery, you'll never find your perceptions corrected by
being a slave yourself. Pretty comfortable position, from which you
might well consider reading a point of view not informed by those in it
with you.</DIV>
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<DIV>keely emerine mix </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:coffeemonkey100@hotmail.com">Ted Ryan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:sslund@adelphia.net">Saundra Lund</A> ; <A
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">'Sunil Ramalingam'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:21
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Re: Earlier
question</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Given that a few people have looked in the archives and haven't
found the<BR>list, it may be that I saw the list somewhere else led to it by
someone<BR>here. I will find it and post it.<BR><BR>I have not read Mr.
Douglas's works so I don't have much of a comment about<BR>that, but certainly
that would be relevant and considered. No one is<BR>claiming all slaves
were high on the hog, and if Mr. Douglas's experience<BR>was bad it doesn't
mean that everyone in turn had it rough.<BR><BR>Again, I repeat myself, I am
not advocating for slavery's return, I am as<BR>glad as anyone it is
gone. I never want to see it again.<BR><BR>Ted
Ryan<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Saundra Lund"
<<A href="mailto:sslund@adelphia.net">sslund@adelphia.net</A>><BR>To:
"'Ted Ryan'" <<A
href="mailto:coffeemonkey100@hotmail.com">coffeemonkey100@hotmail.com</A>>;
"'Sunil Ramalingam'"<BR><<A
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</A>><BR>Cc:
<<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>Sent:
Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:03 AM<BR>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Re: Earlier
question<BR><BR><BR>> Ted Ryan wrote:<BR>> "There are a number of books,
especially ones written by those who lived<BR>during<BR>> those times, that
are in opposition to what is currently thought and<BR>taught.<BR>> Just
because a thousand people say it is so, doesn't make it so.
Try<BR>reading<BR>> some of these pieces, there are many and I would be
glad to provide<BR>reference<BR>> list if you like."<BR>><BR>> Hmmm .
. . well, I guess it's safe to assume that _Narrative of the
Life<BR>of<BR>> Frederick Douglass, An American Slave_ by Frederick
Douglass *won't* be on<BR>that<BR>> list, in spite of the fact that Mr.
Douglass, who was also a minister,<BR>lived --<BR>> and was owned -- during
that time and wrote of his slavery experiences<BR>himself.<BR>><BR>> Ted
Ryan also wrote:<BR>> "Although a short trip to the archives back in
December will also produce<BR>the<BR>> same list."<BR>><BR>> Well,
thinking I'd missed something, I went back & looked at the
archives.<BR>Ted,<BR>> can you please supply the list from December?
Reviewing the messages<BR>again, I<BR>> still couldn't find anything that
fit your criteria ("ones written by<BR>those who<BR>> lived during those
times") other than references to the noxious R.L.<BR>Dabney.<BR>>
Obviously, I'm missing something or missing some messages or
something.<BR>><BR>><BR>> TIA,<BR>> Saundra Lund<BR>> Moscow,
ID<BR>><BR>> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for
good people to do<BR>> nothing.<BR>> -Edmund
Burke<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR><BR>_____________________________________________________<BR> List
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