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<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">Donovan "I don't want Kimmel's head on a platter" Arnold fails to realize that the police, after a thorough investigation, exonerated Paul Kimmel. Hmmm, Paul was cleared of all wrong doing? That's right. And if you knew Paul, that wouldn't surprise you in the least. He's a good guy.</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">Jack</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN><A NAME=""><SPAN LANG="en-us"></SPAN></A></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">-----Original Message-----<BR>
From: Donovan Arnold [<A HREF="mailto:donovanarnold@hotmail.com">mailto:donovanarnold@hotmail.com</A>]<BR>
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 10:26 PM<BR>
To: jack@moscowUSA.com; vision2020@moscow.com<BR>
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Paul Kimmel and Doug Wilson</SPAN></P>
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<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">Umm Jack,</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">That information can be found by reading the CC Constitution online.</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">Second, Kimmel may have violated the law, and had a conflict of interest. </SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">Only an idiot would not want at least some questions answered when a legal </SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">trial has shown that a Commissioner may have committed a crime.</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">What have I done for my community? Lots, but I am not going to brag about </SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">things I have done. But one thing I haven't done, is write a book talking </SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">about the compatibility of Slavery and Christianity. Nor have I founded a </SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">church that discriminates against Gays and Women.</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">If this is your idea of working to make Moscow a "better place", I am glad </SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">if I am one of the "Nasty Nine" that ruined this forum for you.</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">I also hope to undo all the hard "wonderful" bigoted and illegal work that </SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">Kimmell and Wilson have done. What a bummer it will be for you when Moscow </SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">has County Commissioners that are not bought off and full of people keeping </SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">Gays and Lesbians from enjoying things like Health Insurance.</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">Take Care,</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">Donovan</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">PS, I don't want Kimmell's head on a platter, I just want him to answer a </SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">couple of questions.</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>From: "Jack Van Deventer" <jack@moscowUSA.com></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>Reply-To: jack@moscowUSA.com</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>To: "'vision 2020'" <vision2020@moscow.com></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>Subject: [Vision2020] Paul Kimmel and Doug Wilson</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:51:35 -0700</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>Where else but Venom 2020 could you have the following situation? A </SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>private</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>internal church document (which may have been stolen) is presented out of</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>context (indeed the lone sentence supposedly quoted was altered) by an</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>enraged Christ Church hater who doesn't have the integrity or courage to</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>identify himself (Captain Kirker). Yet, on this basis the Nasty Nine who</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>have ruined Vision 2020 are calling for Paul Kimmel's head on a platter.</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>Today, in truly paranoid fashion, Wayne Fox accused Ted Ryan of being Doug</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>Wilson and others voiced their concerns Christ Church will takeover CJ's,</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>The Beach, and Tidyman's. When will they realize that aliens intent on</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>taking over the world have begun their evil work by invading the bodies of</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>Christ Church members?</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>Hats off to Debbie Gray who wisely wrote:</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>"These constant Christ Church/Doug Wilson/Paul Kimmel/anyone with a</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>[different] opinion ad nauseum attacks are ugly. What are YOU doing to</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>improve anything in Moscow or for it's future?"</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>She's right on. Paul and Doug have worked for decades to make Moscow a</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>better place by building Moscow up. This they have done cheerfully, </SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>despite</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>the hate-filled snipers on Venom 2020.</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>Jack</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>__________________________________</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>Jack Van Deventer</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>jack@moscowUSA.com</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>-----Original Message-----</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [<A HREF="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</A>]</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>On Behalf Of Debbie Gray</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 5:29 PM</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>To: vision 2020</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Re: oversight=authority?</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>I am curious why people are insistent that Paul Kimmel is a mindless</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>puppet of Doug Wilson. Of course people are influenced in many ways</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>by the people they associate with! I don't see anyone jumping all</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>over the Moscow Civic Association for having undue influence over</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>Nancy Cheney or John Dickinson (and this has nothing to do with them,</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>their decisions, etc. It's JUST an example). Perhaps Paul Kimmel or</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>Nancy Cheney, etc. hold certain views that are reflected BY the</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>people they associate with. That doesn't mean there is MIND CONTROL</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>going on. And wow, what would happen if we all got out of our little</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>superior silos and associated with each other? GASP!!! Imagine...</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>Also, regarding your example of domestic partnership benefits for</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>Latah County, I don't see that Paul Kimmel was going out on some wild</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>tangent that is so dissimilar to viewpoints of other republicans and</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>so incredibly obvious that he was not making a decision of his own.</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>Just because you don't agree with something does not make it: 1.EVIL;</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>2. The result of mind control; or 3. WRONG. This whole conflict over</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>gay marriage should plainly illustrate that to you. Some people</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>oppose it, some people support it. Does everyone that oppose it</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>belong to Christ Church? No. Does everyone that belongs to Christ</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>Church oppose? Perhaps, but I don't think Mr. Wilson speaks for</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>everyone. Perhaps they chose that church because it comes CLOSEST to</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>what they believe, not necessarily that they are in lock-step with</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>that particular persons opinions. I know I have belonged to various</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>organizations that I support because I agree with the majority of</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>their ideas, that doesn't mean I agree with everything they do. Think</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>of Greenpeace or Sierra Club or things like that. I like a lot of</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>what they have accomplished but I don't necessarily support every</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>single activity they undertake. But who else would I donate money or</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>time or whatever to in order to make those activities I like happen?</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>These constant Christ Church/Doug Wilson/Paul Kimmel/anyone with a</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>difft opinion ad nauseum attacks are ugly. What are YOU doing to</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>improve anything in Moscow or for it's future? So what if Christ</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>Church opens a religious trinkets store in the perhaps vacant CJ's?</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>If there is no market for it, it won't last. If there is a market,</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>who are you to judge whether it should be there or not. It's not like</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>they are selling illicit drugs or child porn. Would you rather have</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>all those businesses vacant? I don't believe in or support things</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>that Christ Church (or any other religion, they're all cults to me)</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>has as their charter. However, I'd much rather have a vital downtown</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>that will attract and impress residents and visitors instead of a</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>dead and dusty downtown with only room for tie dye shops, incense</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>shops, tattoo parlors, etc.</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>I agree with Tom Hudson's question: What are you individually or as a</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>group doing to improve your town (besides obsessively compulsively</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>googling things about Doug Wilson)? Is there nothing else in this</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>community that inspires you to action (actions, not words and endless</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>email debates)?</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">></SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">>Debbie Gray</SPAN></P>
<P ALIGN=LEFT><SPAN LANG="en-us">></SPAN></P>
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