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<DIV>Actually, Pat, I personally know only about half a dozen Visioneers -- and
I know that it is NEVER all right to toss out personal information about someone
to anyone else, whether by email or in person. I'm sorry that happened to
you.</DIV>
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<DIV>keely</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:pkraut@moscow.com">Pat Kraut</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 22, 2004 11:36
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Leaving a few
children behind</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Well, that puts you a book behind because I have already read
that book! I<BR>already said on this site that I like to read all sides of an
issue. I did<BR>like some parts and thought in other parts she cannot
think<BR>clearly...thought the same thing about Savage's book.<BR>Tell me
something...do you all really think that it is necessary to put<BR>personal
information about someone on this site? This really is fully<BR>agreeable to
all of you? Or is it just those who don't agree with you? I am<BR>aware that
most of you must really know each other so no longer question<BR>anything that
is said by one of you. I am however surprised that educated,<BR>thinking
people would be so quick to attack personally someone who just does<BR>not
agree with you.<BR>Pat<BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Carl
Westberg" <<A
href="mailto:carlwestberg846@hotmail.com">carlwestberg846@hotmail.com</A>><BR>To:
<<A href="mailto:pkraut@moscow.com">pkraut@moscow.com</A>>; <<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>Sent:
Thursday, July 22, 2004 7:21 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Leaving a few
children behind<BR><BR><BR>> Wow, Pat. You manage to label migrant
workers "ingrates", you call Keely<BR>a<BR>> "twit", and heartily recommend
we read "The Enemy Within" by ultra<BR>> right-winger Michael Savage.
I tell you what, Pat. I'll read that if you<BR>> read "Shrub" by
Molly Ivins.
Deal?<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
Carl Westberg Jr.<BR>><BR>><BR>> >From: "Pat Kraut" <<A
href="mailto:pkraut@moscow.com">pkraut@moscow.com</A>><BR>> >To:
"vision2020" <<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Leaving a few children behind<BR>> >Date:
Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:53:48 -0700<BR>> ><BR>> >Of all the silly
answers...I am poor, twit! The only bitterness I feel is<BR>> >that of a
regular tax payer who is having their hardearned pay sucked<BR>into<BR>>
>programs for the 'poor' with no end in sight. I can assure you there
are<BR>> >many more programs to 'help' the poor (that do not much more
than keep<BR>them<BR>> >poor) than there is for the middle class barely
able to make ends meet<BR>for<BR>> >helping those poor souls. As
to my faith, your comments are the ones of<BR>> >someone who knows
nothing about it. I use the word ingrate because any<BR>time<BR>> >these
migrant workers protest anything they wave the Mexican flag in our<BR>>
>faces. Well, go back to Mexico if its so great! Try reading "The
Enemy<BR>> >Within" by Donald Savage. You just might learn something to
make you<BR>think<BR>> >more deeply about this subject. It is as always
multi-faceted.<BR>> >PK<BR>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Leaving a
few children behind<BR>> ><BR>> > Diving in as someone
who spent 1990-2001 working with Mexican<BR>immigrants<BR>> >in Western
Washington, many of whom were considered migrant agricultural<BR>>
>workers by the government . . .<BR>> ><BR>> > I am
sad but not surprised that this program would be cut. I am
sad<BR>but<BR>> >not surprised that Ms. Kraut would voice her support of
cutting programs<BR>> >that benefit migrant farmworker families. I
am sad and astonished that<BR>Ms.<BR>> >Kraut would say the things she
says without apparent shame, and I trust<BR>> >that she receives this in
the spirit in which I intend it:<BR>> ><BR>> > Pat,
how hard a heart can you have while still professing to worship<BR>>
>God?<BR>> ><BR>> > Given that you are almost
assuredly a citizen of the United States,<BR>are<BR>> >obviously
literate, very likely didn't grow up in a family of illiterate<BR>> >and
perhaps undocumented migrant farmworkers, and seem to have grasped a<BR>>
>kernel of education from the husks of poverty, it is beyond my<BR>>
>comprehension how any dire circumstances of your youth could compare
with<BR>> >those experienced by the thousands and thousands of children
who would<BR>have<BR>> >benefited from this program. You have my
sympathy for whatever hardships<BR>> >you undoubtedly suffered and my
sincerest regrets that your education and<BR>> >subsequent adulthood
left you with a paucity of argument and a parched<BR>> >spirit.
Perhaps some things cannot be cultivated by government help<BR>after<BR>>
>all.<BR>> ><BR>> > I would love to meet with you
and try to understand the bitterness<BR>> >you've evinced toward the
poor, and I would be happy to tell you the<BR>> >difference education
has made in the lives of scores of my friends and<BR>> >acquaintances in
Washington who have entered adulthood with options other<BR>> >than
picking berries or milking cows for a living. No need to debate<BR>>
>programs and policies -- I just want to hear from you, and I invite
you<BR>to<BR>> >contact me off-list. And for those of you
wondering how I, as a<BR>Christian,<BR>> >could avoid the model of
Matthew 18 in my response to Ms. Kraut, I would<BR>> >point out that
public comment often calls for public rebuke, particularly<BR>> >when
the public rebuke might serve as an apologetic for (defense of) the<BR>>
>Gospel.<BR>> ><BR>> > How ironic that we don't use
the word "ingrate" to describe someone<BR>who<BR>> >has benefited
utterly from the mercy of her Savior, and yet delights in<BR>> >hurling
invective at the poor He weeps for.<BR>> ><BR>> >
keely emerine mix<BR>> ><BR>> > -----
Original Message -----<BR>> > From: Pat
Kraut<BR>> > To: vision2020<BR>>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 2:48 PM<BR>>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Leaving a few children
behind<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > I gotta
tell ya that I think that this is one of those programs that<BR>>
>needs<BR>> > to fail. Paying them to stay in
school proves nothing because they<BR>are<BR>> >
passed through the grades without really learning anything. If they<BR>>
>have a<BR>> > real desire to stay in school
they can without being paid for it. I<BR>> >know<BR>>
> that you all will have lots of comments and
complaints about my<BR>> >attitude but<BR>>
> I stayed in school even with bad circumstances
and made it out on my<BR>> >own. I<BR>> >
know they can do it and appreciate their education even more. I am<BR>>
>also<BR>> > tired of paying ingrates to go
to schools that are only keeping them<BR>> >in to<BR>>
> pad their funds and not really teaching them
anything.<BR>> > Oh, here it comes!<BR>>
> Pat<BR>> > -----
Original Message -----<BR>> > From: "Melynda
Huskey" <<A href="mailto:mghuskey@msn.com">mghuskey@msn.com</A>><BR>>
> To: <<A
href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 11:22 AM<BR>>
> Subject: [Vision2020] Leaving a few children
behind<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > > I
found this news extremely disturbing . . I hope others who do so<BR>>
>will<BR>> > > contact legislators and
express their concern. If the Bush tax<BR>cuts<BR>> >have<BR>>
> > been so beneficial to the economy, and if we
are indeed in an<BR>> >economic<BR>> >
> recovery, why are we reduced to cutting educational programs for<BR>>
>extremely<BR>> > > vulnerable
children--programs which would enhance the earning<BR>>
>potential<BR>> > and<BR>>
> > productivity, and hence the tax base, of our
nation?<BR>> > ><BR>>
> > Melynda Huskey<BR>>
> ><BR>> >
><BR>> > > AP Wire:<BR>>
> ><BR>> > >
DES MOINES, Iowa - Funding is being eliminated for a
federal<BR>program<BR>> >that<BR>> > >
pays the children of migrant workers across the country to stay in<BR>>
>school<BR>> > > instead of working in
fields.<BR>> > ><BR>>
> > The Department of Labor program pays some
young people minimum<BR>wage<BR>> >to<BR>>
> stay<BR>> > > in
school while migrating with their parents, who travel across<BR>the<BR>>
> country<BR>> > >
looking for seasonal farm work.<BR>> >
><BR>> > > Coordinators in 31 states and
Puerto Rico were told there was no<BR>> >money to<BR>>
> > operate the program this year, leaving them
to find alternate<BR>> >sources,<BR>> >
> petition Congress or drop the program.<BR>>
> ><BR>> > >
"This is a remarkable abandonment of the most vulnerable youth,"<BR>>
>said<BR>> > David<BR>>
> > Strauss, executive director of the
Association of Farmworker<BR>> >Opportunity<BR>>
> > Programs. "I don't know what's going to
happen to those kids."<BR>> > ><BR>>
> > Repeated telephone messages left this week
for Labor Department<BR>> >officials<BR>>
> > weren't returned.<BR>>
> ><BR>> > >
The Migrant and Seasonal Farmworker Youth Program is designed to<BR>>
>combat<BR>> > > extraordinarily high
dropout rates among seasonal migrant youth<BR>> >workers<BR>>
> and<BR>> > > the
children of adult seasonal migrant workers. It also attempts<BR>to<BR>>
>end<BR>> > > cyclical poverty and low
socio-economic levels plaguing that<BR>> >population.<BR>>
> ><BR>> > >
The school dropout rate is understandable, Strauss said. "If you<BR>>
>look at<BR>> > > their lives they're in
multiple schools because their families<BR>> >travel to<BR>>
> > work."<BR>> >
><BR>> > > Dropout rates among migrant
youths are estimated at 60 percent,<BR>> >according<BR>>
> to<BR>> > > the
federal Office of Migrant Education in the U.S. Department of<BR>>
> Education.<BR>> >
><BR>> > > Students are pulled from school
early because their parents move<BR>to<BR>> >where<BR>>
> > work is more plentiful, disrupting their
academic progress and<BR>> >causing<BR>> >
many<BR>> > > to fall behind or become
discouraged.<BR>> > ><BR>>
> > "They're pulled out of school or start back
late," said Terry Meek<BR>> >of<BR>> >
> Proteus Inc., a nonprofit organization that oversees the Iowa<BR>>
>program.<BR>> > "Some<BR>>
> > of them are here for June, July, August and
part of September<BR>> >because<BR>> >
> they're coming to work with seed corn."<BR>>
> ><BR>> > >
Despite the stipends, most of the young people still work because<BR>>
>their<BR>> > > families need supplemental
income. The average income of an adult<BR>> >farm<BR>>
> > worker is less than $10,000 a year.<BR>>
> ><BR>> > >
Nationally, more than 2,500 youth ages 14 to 21 participated in<BR>the<BR>>
> program<BR>> > >
last year. Many came from California, Texas and Florida.<BR>>
> ><BR>> > >
The program also provides job placement, tutoring, mentoring,<BR>>
>vocational<BR>> > > training and career
counseling services. It also funds child care<BR>> >and<BR>>
> health<BR>> > >
care.<BR>> > ><BR>>
> > Four years ago, programs across the country
were dividing a<BR>healthy<BR>> >$10<BR>>
> > million a year. This year, all funding was
eliminated and<BR>> >coordinators<BR>> >
were<BR>> > > told to use money from last
year until it dries up.<BR>> > ><BR>>
> > ___<BR>> >
><BR>> > > On the Net:<BR>>
> ><BR>> > >
U.S. Department of Labor:<BR>> > ><BR>>
> ><BR>> >
><BR>> > > <A
href="http://www.dol.gov/">http://www.dol.gov/</A><BR>>
> ><BR>> >
><BR>> > > U.S. Department of
Education:<BR>> > ><BR>>
> > <A
href="http://www.ed.gov/">http://www.ed.gov/</A><BR>>
> ><BR>> > >
Association of Farmworker Opportunity Programs<BR>>
> ><BR>> > > <A
href="http://www.afop.org/">http://www.afop.org/</A><BR>>
> ><BR>> >
><BR>> > > Melynda Huskey<BR>>
> ><BR>> >
><BR>> > >
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