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<DIV>Donovan, that's utterly inappropriate. I may disagree with Pat's
ideas, but I won't support your attack against her. You aren't enhancing
your argument at all. Stop it.</DIV>
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<DIV>keely</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:donovanarnold@hotmail.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:pkraut@moscow.com">pkraut@moscow.com</A> ; <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 23, 2004 7:11 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Leaving a few
children behind</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Yeah, see when you live off the taxpayer like Pat does, you
have lots of <BR>time to read books. Other people are too busy doing things
like working to <BR>pay the taxes to run the programs that Pat enjoys off your
hard labor. Then <BR>of course you get to hear about how all the poor people
and immigrates that <BR>hurt Pat because she could be even more lazy if they
weren't sucking funds <BR>from the programs she benefits from.<BR><BR>Donovan
J Arnold<BR><BR><BR>>From: "Pat Kraut" <<A
href="mailto:pkraut@moscow.com">pkraut@moscow.com</A>><BR>>To:
"vision2020" <<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>>Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Leaving a few children behind<BR>>Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004
23:36:20 -0700<BR>><BR>>Well, that puts you a book behind because I have
already read that book! I<BR>>already said on this site that I like to read
all sides of an issue. I did<BR>>like some parts and thought in other parts
she cannot think<BR>>clearly...thought the same thing about Savage's
book.<BR>>Tell me something...do you all really think that it is necessary
to put<BR>>personal information about someone on this site? This really is
fully<BR>>agreeable to all of you? Or is it just those who don't agree with
you? I am<BR>>aware that most of you must really know each other so no
longer question<BR>>anything that is said by one of you. I am however
surprised that educated,<BR>>thinking people would be so quick to attack
personally someone who just <BR>>does<BR>>not agree with
you.<BR>>Pat<BR>>----- Original Message -----<BR>>From: "Carl
Westberg" <<A
href="mailto:carlwestberg846@hotmail.com">carlwestberg846@hotmail.com</A>><BR>>To:
<<A href="mailto:pkraut@moscow.com">pkraut@moscow.com</A>>; <<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>>Sent:
Thursday, July 22, 2004 7:21 AM<BR>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Leaving a few
children behind<BR>><BR>><BR>> > Wow, Pat. You manage to
label migrant workers "ingrates", you call <BR>>Keely<BR>>a<BR>> >
"twit", and heartily recommend we read "The Enemy Within" by ultra<BR>>
> right-winger Michael Savage. I tell you what, Pat. I'll read
that if <BR>>you<BR>> > read "Shrub" by Molly Ivins.
Deal?<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>>
> Carl Westberg
Jr.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > >From: "Pat Kraut" <<A
href="mailto:pkraut@moscow.com">pkraut@moscow.com</A>><BR>> > >To:
"vision2020" <<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>> >
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Leaving a few children behind<BR>> >
>Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:53:48 -0700<BR>> > ><BR>> >
>Of all the silly answers...I am poor, twit! The only bitterness I feel
<BR>>is<BR>> > >that of a regular tax payer who is having their
hardearned pay sucked<BR>>into<BR>> > >programs for the 'poor'
with no end in sight. I can assure you there <BR>>are<BR>> > >many
more programs to 'help' the poor (that do not much more than
keep<BR>>them<BR>> > >poor) than there is for the middle class
barely able to make ends meet<BR>>for<BR>> > >helping those poor
souls. As to my faith, your comments are the ones <BR>>of<BR>>
> >someone who knows nothing about it. I use the word ingrate because
any<BR>>time<BR>> > >these migrant workers protest anything they
wave the Mexican flag in <BR>>our<BR>> > >faces. Well, go back to
Mexico if its so great! Try reading "The Enemy<BR>> > >Within" by
Donald Savage. You just might learn something to make you<BR>>think<BR>>
> >more deeply about this subject. It is as always
multi-faceted.<BR>> > >PK<BR>> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Leaving a few children behind<BR>> > ><BR>> > >
Diving in as someone who spent 1990-2001 working with
Mexican<BR>>immigrants<BR>> > >in Western Washington, many of whom
were considered migrant <BR>>agricultural<BR>> > >workers by the
government . . .<BR>> > ><BR>> > > I am sad but
not surprised that this program would be cut. I am
sad<BR>>but<BR>> > >not surprised that Ms. Kraut would voice her
support of cutting <BR>>programs<BR>> > >that benefit migrant
farmworker families. I am sad and astonished that<BR>>Ms.<BR>>
> >Kraut would say the things she says without apparent shame, and I
trust<BR>> > >that she receives this in the spirit in which I intend
it:<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Pat, how hard a heart can
you have while still professing to worship<BR>> > >God?<BR>> >
><BR>> > > Given that you are almost assuredly a
citizen of the United States,<BR>>are<BR>> > >obviously literate,
very likely didn't grow up in a family of <BR>>illiterate<BR>> >
>and perhaps undocumented migrant farmworkers, and seem to have grasped
<BR>>a<BR>> > >kernel of education from the husks of poverty, it
is beyond my<BR>> > >comprehension how any dire circumstances of your
youth could compare <BR>>with<BR>> > >those experienced by the
thousands and thousands of children who would<BR>>have<BR>> >
>benefited from this program. You have my sympathy for whatever
<BR>>hardships<BR>> > >you undoubtedly suffered and my sincerest
regrets that your education <BR>>and<BR>> > >subsequent adulthood
left you with a paucity of argument and a parched<BR>> >
>spirit. Perhaps some things cannot be cultivated by government
help<BR>>after<BR>> > >all.<BR>> > ><BR>> >
> I would love to meet with you and try to understand the
bitterness<BR>> > >you've evinced toward the poor, and I would be
happy to tell you the<BR>> > >difference education has made in the
lives of scores of my friends and<BR>> > >acquaintances in Washington
who have entered adulthood with options <BR>>other<BR>> > >than
picking berries or milking cows for a living. No need to debate<BR>>
> >programs and policies -- I just want to hear from you, and I invite
you<BR>>to<BR>> > >contact me off-list. And for those of you
wondering how I, as a<BR>>Christian,<BR>> > >could avoid the model
of Matthew 18 in my response to Ms. Kraut, I <BR>>would<BR>> >
>point out that public comment often calls for public rebuke,
<BR>>particularly<BR>> > >when the public rebuke might serve as an
apologetic for (defense of) <BR>>the<BR>> > >Gospel.<BR>> >
><BR>> > > How ironic that we don't use the word
"ingrate" to describe someone<BR>>who<BR>> > >has benefited
utterly from the mercy of her Savior, and yet delights in<BR>> >
>hurling invective at the poor He weeps for.<BR>> > ><BR>> >
> keely emerine mix<BR>> > ><BR>> >
> ----- Original Message -----<BR>> >
> From: Pat Kraut<BR>> >
> To: vision2020<BR>> >
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 2:48 PM<BR>>
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Leaving a few
children behind<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> >
> I gotta tell ya that I think that this is one of
those programs <BR>>that<BR>> > >needs<BR>> >
> to fail. Paying them to stay in school proves
nothing because they<BR>>are<BR>> > >
passed through the grades without really learning anything. If
<BR>>they<BR>> > >have a<BR>> > >
real desire to stay in school they can without being paid for it.
<BR>>I<BR>> > >know<BR>> > > that
you all will have lots of comments and complaints about my<BR>> >
>attitude but<BR>> > > I stayed in school
even with bad circumstances and made it out on <BR>>my<BR>> >
>own. I<BR>> > > know they can do it and
appreciate their education even more. I am<BR>> > >also<BR>> >
> tired of paying ingrates to go to schools that
are only keeping <BR>>them<BR>> > >in to<BR>> >
> pad their funds and not really teaching them
anything.<BR>> > > Oh, here it comes!<BR>>
> > Pat<BR>> >
> ----- Original Message -----<BR>> >
> From: "Melynda Huskey" <<A
href="mailto:mghuskey@msn.com">mghuskey@msn.com</A>><BR>> >
> To: <<A
href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>> >
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 11:22 AM<BR>>
> > Subject: [Vision2020] Leaving a few children
behind<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> >
> > I found this news extremely disturbing . . I
hope others who do <BR>>so<BR>> > >will<BR>> >
> > contact legislators and express their
concern. If the Bush tax<BR>>cuts<BR>> > >have<BR>> >
> > been so beneficial to the economy, and if we
are indeed in an<BR>> > >economic<BR>> >
> > recovery, why are we reduced to cutting
educational programs for<BR>> > >extremely<BR>> >
> > vulnerable children--programs which would
enhance the earning<BR>> > >potential<BR>> >
> and<BR>> > >
> productivity, and hence the tax base, of our nation?<BR>> >
> ><BR>> > >
> Melynda Huskey<BR>> > > ><BR>>
> > ><BR>> >
> > AP Wire:<BR>> >
> ><BR>> > >
> DES MOINES, Iowa - Funding is being eliminated for a
federal<BR>>program<BR>> > >that<BR>> >
> > pays the children of migrant workers across
the country to stay <BR>>in<BR>> > >school<BR>> >
> > instead of working in fields.<BR>> >
> ><BR>> > >
> The Department of Labor program pays some young people
minimum<BR>>wage<BR>> > >to<BR>> >
> stay<BR>> > >
> in school while migrating with their parents, who travel
across<BR>>the<BR>> > > country<BR>>
> > > looking for seasonal farm work.<BR>>
> > ><BR>> >
> > Coordinators in 31 states and Puerto Rico
were told there was no<BR>> > >money to<BR>> >
> > operate the program this year, leaving them
to find alternate<BR>> > >sources,<BR>> >
> > petition Congress or drop the
program.<BR>> > > ><BR>> >
> > "This is a remarkable abandonment of the
most vulnerable youth,"<BR>> > >said<BR>> >
> David<BR>> > >
> Strauss, executive director of the Association of Farmworker<BR>> >
>Opportunity<BR>> > > > Programs. "I
don't know what's going to happen to those kids."<BR>> >
> ><BR>> > >
> Repeated telephone messages left this week for Labor Department<BR>>
> >officials<BR>> > > > weren't
returned.<BR>> > > ><BR>> >
> > The Migrant and Seasonal Farmworker Youth
Program is designed to<BR>> > >combat<BR>> >
> > extraordinarily high dropout rates among
seasonal migrant youth<BR>> > >workers<BR>> >
> and<BR>> > >
> the children of adult seasonal migrant workers. It also
attempts<BR>>to<BR>> > >end<BR>> >
> > cyclical poverty and low socio-economic
levels plaguing that<BR>> > >population.<BR>> >
> ><BR>> > >
> The school dropout rate is understandable, Strauss said. "If you<BR>>
> >look at<BR>> > > > their lives
they're in multiple schools because their families<BR>> > >travel
to<BR>> > > > work."<BR>> >
> ><BR>> > >
> Dropout rates among migrant youths are estimated at 60 percent,<BR>>
> >according<BR>> > > to<BR>> >
> > the federal Office of Migrant Education in
the U.S. Department <BR>>of<BR>> > >
Education.<BR>> > > ><BR>> >
> > Students are pulled from school early
because their parents move<BR>>to<BR>> > >where<BR>> >
> > work is more plentiful, disrupting their
academic progress and<BR>> > >causing<BR>> >
> many<BR>> > >
> to fall behind or become discouraged.<BR>> >
> ><BR>> > >
> "They're pulled out of school or start back late," said Terry
<BR>>Meek<BR>> > >of<BR>> > >
> Proteus Inc., a nonprofit organization that oversees the Iowa<BR>>
> >program.<BR>> > > "Some<BR>> >
> > of them are here for June, July, August and
part of September<BR>> > >because<BR>> >
> > they're coming to work with seed
corn."<BR>> > > ><BR>> >
> > Despite the stipends, most of the young
people still work <BR>>because<BR>> > >their<BR>> >
> > families need supplemental income. The
average income of an <BR>>adult<BR>> > >farm<BR>> >
> > worker is less than $10,000 a year.<BR>>
> > ><BR>> >
> > Nationally, more than 2,500 youth ages 14 to
21 participated in<BR>>the<BR>> > >
program<BR>> > > > last year. Many came
from California, Texas and Florida.<BR>> > >
><BR>> > > > The program also provides
job placement, tutoring, mentoring,<BR>> > >vocational<BR>> >
> > training and career counseling services. It
also funds child <BR>>care<BR>> > >and<BR>> >
> health<BR>> > >
> care.<BR>> > > ><BR>> >
> > Four years ago, programs across the country
were dividing a<BR>>healthy<BR>> > >$10<BR>> >
> > million a year. This year, all funding was
eliminated and<BR>> > >coordinators<BR>> >
> were<BR>> > >
> told to use money from last year until it dries up.<BR>> >
> ><BR>> > >
> ___<BR>> > > ><BR>> >
> > On the Net:<BR>> >
> ><BR>> > >
> U.S. Department of Labor:<BR>> > >
><BR>> > > ><BR>> >
> ><BR>> > >
> <A href="http://www.dol.gov/">http://www.dol.gov/</A><BR>> >
> ><BR>> > >
><BR>> > > > U.S. Department of
Education:<BR>> > > ><BR>> >
> > <A
href="http://www.ed.gov/">http://www.ed.gov/</A><BR>> >
> ><BR>> > >
> Association of Farmworker Opportunity Programs<BR>> >
> ><BR>> > >
> <A href="http://www.afop.org/">http://www.afop.org/</A><BR>> >
> ><BR>> > >
><BR>> > > > Melynda Huskey<BR>>
> > ><BR>> >
> ><BR>> > >
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