[Vision2020] Jared Kushner used private email for official business
g crabtree
direoutcome at gmail.com
Thu Sep 28 07:07:18 PDT 2017
I'm not sure which "points" you imagine "stand" but, rather than endure the
tedium of reading one of your columns, I'll just concede that hrc is really
super dooper and proved her presidential bonafidies during the hearing such
that none could possibly deny her rightful place as dear leader of the USA.
And yet...
g
On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 10:02 PM, Nicholas Gier <ngier006 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Mr. Crabtree:
>
> I have appended my column once again, because it was previously sent to
> you alone. I correct only the fact that I quoted one military expert not
> many.
>
> Letters from Gen. Dana Chipman, the committee’s own former chief counsel
> with 33 years’ military experience, have now been released. In one to
> former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, Chipman states: “I think you ordered
> exactly the right forces to move out and to head toward a position where
> they could reinforce what was occurring in Benghazi.” Contrary to the
> right-wing press, there were no orders for those forces to stand down.
>
> I challenge you to counter anything I've written in this column. Until
> you do, the points stand.
>
> nfg
>
> *Benghazi: The GOP is Beating a Dead Horse*
> *None of the Charges Against Clinton are True*
>
> The GOP House Select Committee on Benghazi has interviewed 100
> witnesses, spent $7 million of its own funds, and has forced other agencies
> to spend an additional $13 million. The Defense Department is at its wit’s
> end and is rightly accusing the committee of making frivolous requests.
> Letters from Gen. Dana Chipman, the committee’s own former
> chief counsel with 33 years’ military experience, have been now released.
> In one to former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, Chipman states: “I think
> you ordered exactly the right forces to move out and to head toward a
> position where they could reinforce what was occurring in Benghazi.”
> Contrary to the right-wing press, there were no orders for those forces to
> stand down.
> One of the most inflammatory charges made against Hillary
> Clinton was that she dismissed the Benghazi deaths by saying “What
> difference does it make”? In testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations
> Committee (1/23/13), the gravity of this loss is clear: “With all due
> respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a
> protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided that
> they’d they go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it
> make?”
> There is also the accusation by GOP Rep. Darrell Issa that
> Clinton had “personally signed” a cable requesting reduced security in
> Benghazi. Fact checkers at the *Washington Post* awarded Issa four
> Pinocchio’s (a Whopper) for this lie. The fact is that every cable from
> the State Department has the Secretary’s signature renders its author
> unidentifiable.
> GOP Sen. Rand Paul charged that Clinton “was asked repeatedly
> to provide security in Benghazi on several occasions, including direct
> cables.
> <http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/may/22/rand-paul/rand-paul-says-hillary-clinton-was-asked-repeatedl/>”
> Investigators at Politifact have judged this claim “mostly false.” They
> state that “no one has shown Clinton willfully ignored the cries for help
> from Libya. Paul’s office didn’t provide evidence linking requests for
> security directly to Clinton.” All cables to the State Department cables
> are addressed to “SECSTATE” in “WASHDC,” but only a select few ever reach
> the secretary.
> On the October 15, 2012, Fox New’s Sean Hannity claimed that
> “somebody at the State Department was watching the attack in real time” via
> video, and therefore should have known exactly what was happening.
> First, there was of course no live video feed from Libya to any
> government office; and second, Hannity may have misunderstood Charles
> Lamb’s testimony that Clinton was in telephone contact with state
> department officials in Libya as if it were “almost in real time.”
> Clinton’s critics apparently did not realize that this claim
> of real time contact contradicts their accusation that Clinton and Obama
> were “unaccounted for” during and after the attack. Not only was Clinton in
> constant telephone contact with the deputy chief of mission in Libya, but
> she was also speaking directly with national security advisor Tom Donilon,
> President Obama, and other administration officials.
> With regard to the cause of the attack, UN Ambassador Susan
> Rice has been rightly criticized for blaming it on an anti-Islamic video
> that caused protests in Egypt but not Benghazi. From the very beginning,
> however, Clinton was sure it was a terrorist attack.
> On the day after the attack, September 12, 2012, she called the
> Egyptian prime minister stating that “we know it had nothing to do with the
> film. It was a planned attack — not a protest.” On September 21,2012,
> Clinton declared: “What happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack, and we
> will not rest until we have tracked down and brought to justice the
> terrorists who murdered four Americans.”
> Critics have charged that at a ceremony honoring the Benghazi
> victims, Clinton told their family members that the video caused the
> attack. But Jan Stevens, father of Ambassador Chris Stevens, Cheryl Bennet,
> Tyrone Wood’s mother, and Barbara Doherty, Glen Doherty’s mother, each said
> that Clinton did not mention the video in conversations with them. Only
> Charles Wood, Tyrone Wood’s father, recalled that Clinton referred to the
> video.
> Allegations that Clinton ordered the “scrubbing” of Benghazi
> documents, that she blocked a whistle blower from coming forward, that she
> was silent about Benghazi attack for weeks, and that she did not take
> responsibility for the attacks have all been found to be false.
>
> When she was Secretary of State Clinton’s approval ratings were 70
> percent, but the fact that they are now at 45 percent is primarily due to
> this dark cloud of lies hanging over her head.
> Nick Gier of Moscow taught philosophy at the University of
> Idaho for 31 years. Read all of his columns on the 2016 election at
> www.NickGier.com/Election2016.pdf.
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 7:42 PM, g crabtree <direoutcome at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You stated that " the GOP congressmen ended up looking like fools" and
>> that "Hillary proved her toughness for the presidency right then and
>> there." Then you contend that this opinion is borne out by the testimony of
>> "the committee's own military experts?
>>
>> Your opinions are as unique as your notion of what constitutes a fact.
>>
>> g
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 6:01 PM, Nicholas Gier <ngier006 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, it is my opinion but backed up by facts, including the committee's
>>> own military experts.
>>>
>>> nfg
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Nicholas Gier <ngier006 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mr. Crabtree,
>>>>
>>>> Are you forgetting about the 11-hour hearing on Bengazi in which none
>>>> of the charges stuck and the GOP congressmen ended up looking like fools?
>>>> Hillary proved her toughness for the presidency right then and there.
>>>>
>>>> Appended below is my column from that period.
>>>>
>>>> nfg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Benghazi: The GOP is Beating a Dead Horse None of the Charges Against
>>>> Clinton are True*
>>>>
>>>> The GOP House Select Committee on Benghazi has interviewed
>>>> 100 witnesses, spent $7 million of its own funds, and has forced other
>>>> agencies to spend an additional $13 million. The Defense Department is at
>>>> its wit’s end and is rightly accusing the committee of making frivolous
>>>> requests.
>>>> Letters from Gen. Dana Chipman, the committee’s own
>>>> former chief counsel with 33 years’ military experience, have been now
>>>> released. In one to former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, Chipman states:
>>>> “I think you ordered exactly the right forces to move out and to head
>>>> toward a position where they could reinforce what was occurring in
>>>> Benghazi.” Contrary to the right-wing press, there were no orders for those
>>>> forces to stand down.
>>>> One of the most inflammatory charges made against Hillary
>>>> Clinton was that she dismissed the Benghazi deaths by saying “What
>>>> difference does it make”? In testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations
>>>> Committee (1/23/13), the gravity of this loss is clear: “With all due
>>>> respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a
>>>> protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided that
>>>> they’d they go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it
>>>> make?”
>>>> There is also the accusation by GOP Rep. Darrell Issa that
>>>> Clinton had “personally signed” a cable requesting reduced security in
>>>> Benghazi. Fact checkers at the *Washington Post* awarded Issa four
>>>> Pinocchio’s (a Whopper) for this lie. The fact is that every cable from
>>>> the State Department has the Secretary’s signature renders its author
>>>> unidentifiable.
>>>> GOP Sen. Rand Paul charged that Clinton “was asked
>>>> repeatedly to provide security in Benghazi on several occasions, including
>>>> direct cables.
>>>> <http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/may/22/rand-paul/rand-paul-says-hillary-clinton-was-asked-repeatedl/>”
>>>> Investigators at Politifact have judged this claim “mostly false.” They
>>>> state that “no one has shown Clinton willfully ignored the cries for help
>>>> from Libya. Paul’s office didn’t provide evidence linking requests for
>>>> security directly to Clinton.” All cables to the State Department cables
>>>> are addressed to “SECSTATE” in “WASHDC,” but only a select few ever reach
>>>> the secretary.
>>>> On the October 15, 2012, Fox New’s Sean Hannity
>>>> claimed that “somebody at the State Department was watching the attack in
>>>> real time” via video, and therefore should have known exactly what was
>>>> happening.
>>>> First, there was of course no live video feed from Libya to
>>>> any government office; and second, Hannity may have misunderstood Charles
>>>> Lamb’s testimony that Clinton was in telephone contact with state
>>>> department officials in Libya as if it were “almost in real time.”
>>>> Clinton’s critics apparently did not realize that this
>>>> claim of real time contact contradicts their accusation that Clinton and
>>>> Obama were “unaccounted for” during and after the attack. Not only was
>>>> Clinton in constant telephone contact with the deputy chief of mission in
>>>> Libya, but she was also speaking directly with national security advisor
>>>> Tom Donilon, President Obama, and other administration officials.
>>>> With regard to the cause of the attack, UN Ambassador Susan
>>>> Rice has been rightly criticized for blaming it on an anti-Islamic video
>>>> that caused protests in Egypt but not Benghazi. From the very beginning,
>>>> however, Clinton was sure it was a terrorist attack.
>>>> On the day after the attack, September 12, 2012, she called
>>>> the Egyptian prime minister stating that “we know it had nothing to do with
>>>> the film. It was a planned attack — not a protest.” On September 21,2012,
>>>> Clinton declared: “What happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack, and we
>>>> will not rest until we have tracked down and brought to justice the
>>>> terrorists who murdered four Americans.”
>>>> Critics have charged that at a ceremony honoring the
>>>> Benghazi victims, Clinton told their family members that the video caused
>>>> the attack. But Jan Stevens, father of Ambassador Chris Stevens, Cheryl
>>>> Bennet, Tyrone Wood’s mother, and Barbara Doherty, Glen Doherty’s mother,
>>>> each said that Clinton did not mention the video in conversations with
>>>> them. Only Charles Wood, Tyrone Wood’s father, recalled that Clinton
>>>> referred to the video.
>>>> Allegations that Clinton ordered the “scrubbing” of
>>>> Benghazi documents, that she blocked a whistle blower from coming forward,
>>>> that she was silent about Benghazi attack for weeks, and that she did not
>>>> take responsibility for the attacks have all been found to be false.
>>>>
>>>> When she was Secretary of State Clinton’s approval ratings were 70
>>>> percent, but the fact that they are now at 45 percent is primarily due to
>>>> this dark cloud of lies hanging over her head.
>>>> Nick Gier of Moscow taught philosophy at the University of
>>>> Idaho for 31 years. Read all of his columns on the 2016 election at
>>>> www.NickGier.com/Election2016.pdf.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 1:17 PM, g crabtree <direoutcome at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well you're edging a tiny bit closer to being on the money. Right
>>>>> about hillary having so many issues, still wrong about the "prosecuted
>>>>> and then exonerated."
>>>>>
>>>>> g
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Andy Boyd <
>>>>> moscowrecycling at turbonet.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I must have been thinking bengazigate. So many issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andy Boyd
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* g crabtree [mailto:direoutcome at gmail.com]
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 12:41 PM
>>>>>> *To:* Andy Boyd <moscowrecycling at turbonet.com>
>>>>>> *Cc:* Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>; Moscow Vision 2020 <
>>>>>> vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Jared Kushner used private email for
>>>>>> official business
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At What point was hillary indited much less prosecuted? At what point
>>>>>> was she exonerated? None of these things happened once much less multiple
>>>>>> times.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> g
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Andy Boyd <
>>>>>> moscowrecycling at turbonet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And will Kushner be prosecuted and then exonerated for emails
>>>>>> multiple times by congress like Hillary was?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andy Boyd
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at mos
>>>>>> cow.com] *On Behalf Of *g crabtree
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 9:39 AM
>>>>>> *To:* Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
>>>>>> *Cc:* Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Jared Kushner used private email for
>>>>>> official business
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does the similarity extend to a clandestinely set up private server
>>>>>> in Mr. Kushners bathroom in a deliberate attempt to circumvent public
>>>>>> records requirements?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did Mr. Kushner immediately attempt to delete over 30,000 improperly
>>>>>> documented e-mails when found out?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When discovered, did Mr. Kushner go into overdrive destroying devices
>>>>>> that could possibly have traces of "job related information?" Did he order
>>>>>> lackeys to use blow torch software on a server that they fought desperately
>>>>>> to avoid turning over to proper authorities?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did Mr. Kushner instruct underlings to obfuscate when asked about
>>>>>> said information?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess you're right, tom. The similarities boarder on the uncanny.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> g
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 6:37 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jared Kushner is currently senior advisor to President Trump. As
>>>>>> such he possesses a Top Secret security clearance (after providing false
>>>>>> information on his SF-86, application for security clearance).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am I going to fast for you, Dan?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The similarity between former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and
>>>>>> Senior Advisor Jared Kushner is that emails from a private server,
>>>>>> containing job-related information, have been generated by both of them
>>>>>> (Hillary and Jared).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you picking up what I'm laying down?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 6:01 AM, Dan Carscallen <areaman at moscow.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did I miss the part where Kushner is running for president? Just want
>>>>>> to get the analogy straight
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 25, 2017, at 04:43, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Altogether now . . .
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOCK HIM UP . . . LOCK HIM UP . . . LOCK HIM UP . . .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2017, at 5:49 PM, Debi Smith <Debismith at moscow.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmmm. But let's keep on hitting Hillary for e-mails, shall we?
>>>>>> Hypocritical much?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Debi R-S
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/24/2017 2:49 PM, Tom Hansen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Courtesy of the *Washington Examiner *at:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/jared-kushner-used-private
>>>>>> -email-for-official-business-report/article/2635438
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jared Kushner used private email for official business: Report
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jared Kushner has used a private email server to correspond with
>>>>>> other administration officials.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kushner, a senior White House advisor and son-in-law to President
>>>>>> Trump, set up the email account in December, shortly after the presidential
>>>>>> election, according to Politico, which first reported on the email account.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The emails have gone to White House officials as well as to outside
>>>>>> advisers, and have contained discussions about news coverage and event
>>>>>> planning. Recipients of such emails included National Economic Council
>>>>>> director Gary Cohn as well as former chief of staff Reince Priebus and
>>>>>> former chief strategist Steve Bannon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Abbe Lowell, Kushner's lawyer, said he has forwarded all the private
>>>>>> emails to his White House account. In most cases, Lowell said, the emails
>>>>>> to the private account were initiated by other officials.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mr. Kushner uses his White House email address to conduct White
>>>>>> House business," Lowell told Politico in a statement Sunday. "Fewer than
>>>>>> 100 emails from January through August were either sent to or returned by
>>>>>> Mr. Kushner to colleagues in the White House from his personal email
>>>>>> account. These usually forwarded news articles or political commentary and
>>>>>> most often occurred when someone initiated the exchange by sending an email
>>>>>> to his personal rather than his White House address."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Private email accounts can bypass the requirements of the
>>>>>> Presidential Records Act, which requires archiving all documents about
>>>>>> government business.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kushner has been under scrutiny during investigations over whether
>>>>>> the Trump campaign colluded with Russian government officials to influence
>>>>>> the U.S. election.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> During the 2016 presidential campaign, Trump repeatedly attacked his
>>>>>> Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton, for using a private email server when
>>>>>> she was secretary of state. She was cleared by the FBI of wrongdoing, but
>>>>>> credits the news reporting about her emails as one of the reasons for her
>>>>>> defeat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know
>>>> they shall never sit in.
>>>>
>>>> -Greek proverb
>>>>
>>>> “Enlightenment is man’s emergence from his self-imposed immaturity.
>>>> Immaturity is the inability to use one’s understanding without guidance
>>>> from another. This immaturity is self- imposed when its cause lies not in
>>>> lack of understanding, but in lack of resolve and courage to use it without
>>>> guidance from another. Sapere Aude! ‘Have courage to use your own
>>>> understand-ing!—that is the motto of enlightenment.
>>>>
>>>> --Immanuel Kant
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know
>>> they shall never sit in.
>>>
>>> -Greek proverb
>>>
>>> “Enlightenment is man’s emergence from his self-imposed immaturity.
>>> Immaturity is the inability to use one’s understanding without guidance
>>> from another. This immaturity is self- imposed when its cause lies not in
>>> lack of understanding, but in lack of resolve and courage to use it without
>>> guidance from another. Sapere Aude! ‘Have courage to use your own
>>> understand-ing!—that is the motto of enlightenment.
>>>
>>> --Immanuel Kant
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they
> shall never sit in.
>
> -Greek proverb
>
> “Enlightenment is man’s emergence from his self-imposed immaturity.
> Immaturity is the inability to use one’s understanding without guidance
> from another. This immaturity is self- imposed when its cause lies not in
> lack of understanding, but in lack of resolve and courage to use it without
> guidance from another. Sapere Aude! ‘Have courage to use your own
> understand-ing!—that is the motto of enlightenment.
>
> --Immanuel Kant
>
>
>
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