[Vision2020] Charge Women with First Degree Murder But Allow Parents to Kill Living Children?!

Saundra Lund v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm
Fri Jan 13 00:58:07 PST 2017

Well, the dog whistle was certainly there for the Idahoans who’ve completely abandoned Idaho’s strong libertarian history in favor of a “morals police” invasive government model.  Foreman loudly played the God card both in his failed sheriff campaign and in his campaign as the cack-handed GOP senate replacement candidate -- what an embarrassment that in-fighting was for the local GOP parties.


Foreman pledged to vote against tax increases; AFAIK, he said nothing about cutting $200 MILLION in taxes.  It’s sheer insanity to think public education and transportation throughout Idaho won’t suffer if he gets his way.


Foreman openly boasted about how popular he was in Benewah county; for those who may have forgotten, Foreman lost by a significant percentage here in Latah County.


For those who subscribe to The Daily News, I recall reading an excellent letter to the editor from Ron Johnson about Foreman’s strident and repeated invocations of God during his failed sheriff campaign.


It seems that in Latah County, voters twice heard and rejected Foreman’s dog whistle in 2016; we can thank the GOP’s 2012 gerrymandering and Benewah County for saddling us with his extremism.



Saundra Lund

Moscow, ID


To care for anyone else enough to make their problems one's own, is ever the beginning of one's real ethical development.

~ Felix Adler


From: Ron Force [mailto:ronforce at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 12:55 PM
To: Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
Cc: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Charge Women with First Degree Murder But Allow Parents to Kill Living Children?!


Were these priorities discussed during the campaign? Or did I just miss them?

Ron Force
Moscow Idaho USA


On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 10:41 AM, Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm <mailto:v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm> > wrote:

Glad to know this anti-science, anti-public education, anti-child “retired” Air Force officer and “retired” Moscow police officer has zero respect for the Constitution and wants to relegate women to forced breeder status.  Hmmm – where have I heard that before around here?  And, he’ll carry four bills this session but not a one has to do with closing the loophole that shields from prosecution parents who neglect their children to death and causes untold suffering on actual living breathing already born children.  


Stupid is as stupid does, and we’ve got a real wingnut here hell bent & determined to do everything in his power to make sure Idaho wins the race to the bottom.


Saundra Lund

Moscow, ID


Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.

~ Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.






Idaho lawmaker would charge women who have abortions with murder


By William L. Spence

Lewiston Tribune

When Moscow Sen. Dan Foreman ran for office last year, he insisted he wouldn’t play it safe in Boise, become best buddies with the lobbyists or turn into a full-time politician.

The 63-year-old retired Air Force officer and retired Moscow police officer said his only concern would be “doing the right thing.”

“I don’t care what people think of me,” he said Tuesday. “I’m here (in the Legislature) to do what I think is best for the people.”

Foreman’s views about what’s best will be on full display when he begins introducing legislation in the coming weeks. The freshman Republican, who defeated three-term Sen. Dan Schmidt in November, said he’ll carry four bills this session.

The “most controversial” measure, he said, would classify abortion as first-degree murder — for the mother, as well as the doctor who performs the operation — except in cases where the mother’s life is endangered.

“I don’t want to tell a woman what to do with her body, and neither should the government,” Foreman said. “But using that same logic, how can a woman tell her unborn child it has to die? Who represents the child?”

A Coeur d’Alene-based grassroots group, Abolish Abortion Idaho, is circulating a ballot initiative that would charge mothers and abortion doctors with murder, except in cases of rape, incest or when the mother’s health is in danger. However, Foreman said he isn’t carrying any of his bills at the behest of another organization.

“I’m tired of babies dying,” he said. “It’s time to start the fight, and I’ll be the point man. I’ve been through two wars and have 11 years as a cop. I’m not thin-skinned.”

Other states have previously sought to charge abortion physicians with murder, but Foreman thinks this would be the first effort — at least since the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court ruling — to charge the mother as well.

“It would be groundbreaking,” he said. “I believe my position is supported by the Idaho Constitution and U.S. Constitution. In fact, I believe it’s mandated. Roe v Wade was wrong.”

His other bills all focus on tax relief.

One would reduce the state sales tax from 6 percent to 5 percent. The second would provide an income tax deduction of up to $8,000 for parents who send their children to private schools. The third deals with “foregone” property taxes.

Counties can increase property tax collections by a maximum of 3 percent per year, not including new construction. In years where they don’t collect the full 3 percent, those “foregone” taxes are banked and can be used in future years. Foreman’s bill would allow counties to bank that taxing authority for a maximum of one year.

Dan Chadwick, executive director of the Idaho Association of Counties, said counties typically don’t go back more than three or four years to capture any foregone taxes.

“Counties don’t tax just to tax,” he said. “The idea of foregone taxes is that they can put it into ‘savings’ in case they need it later. If they’re limited to (going back) one year, the incentive would be for them to tax at the maximum level every year, even if they don’t need it.”

Foreman’s sales tax bill would reduce Idaho’s general fund revenues by $200 million to $250 million per year. Depending on how it’s written, it could also cut the amount of sales tax revenue that’s returned to local jurisdictions through revenue sharing.

“I think the mood in the state is right for a sales tax cut,” he said. “We’re starting to grow government faster than the economy. If we really want to stimulate the economy, let’s leave the spending choices up to the men and women on the street.”

A $250 million reduction in general fund collections would eliminate virtually all of the budget enhancements in Gov. C.L. “Butch” Otter’s fiscal 2018 budget recommendation, including the $101 million increase in public school funding.

Citing the Idaho Freedom Foundation’s proposed budget, Foreman said there’s room for a $200 million tax cut without harming education or transportation funding. However, the foundation’s budget eliminates the entire career ladder teacher pay plan, substituting a 3 percent across-the-board pay increase, and cuts several other education initiatives.

In his State of the State address Monday, Otter noted state tax collections have been cut by a combined $1 billion over the course of his three terms in office.

“But I also understand the costs of failing to invest prudently and sustainably in our future,” he continued. “So I will not entertain anything that undermines our commitment to meeting essential government functions. At the top of that list are our investments in improving education and career readiness.”

Senate Minority Leader Michelle Stennett, D-Ketchum, said freshmen legislators “often come in thinking they have a mandate for their personal agendas.”

Separating personal views from what constituents want “is something we all struggle with,” she said. “We also have to remember that we create laws for the entire state, not just our region.”

Spence may be contacted at bspence at lmtribune.com <mailto:bspence at lmtribune.com>  or (208) 791-9168 <tel:(208)%20791-9168> .

Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article125859554.html#storylink=cpy


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