[Vision2020] Hillary Won by 2 Million Votes! More than Gore, Nixon, Kennedy

Sat Nov 12 20:30:02 PST 2016

And slavery had a lot to do with the EC:
https://newrepublic.com/article/138631/terrible-skewed-anachronistic-electoral-college-gave-us-trump

On Nov 13, 2016 11:45 AM, "Ted Moffett" <starbliss at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> This is exactly why the brilliant framers came up with the Electoral
>> College as a check / balance of not allowing Congress to select a president
>> (except in an Electoral College tie) and not allowing a president to be
>> elected solely by popular vote which can be heavily skewed by the more
>> populous states.  Hillary and company were well aware of how the system
>> elects a president and yet they still shockingly blew Wisconsin, Michigan,
>> and Pennsylvania to a hack like Trump who didn't even have the support of
>> his own party.
>>
>> -Scott
>>
>>
> "... not allowing a president to be elected solely by popular vote which
> can be heavily skewed by the more populous states."
>
> By this logic, perhaps we should elect Idaho's governor in a manner that
> prevents Ada county from a "heavily skewed" impact.  I've never heard any
> complaints that Idaho's governor is elected based on a popular vote, one
> vote one person, regardless of whether they are from a heavily populated
> county, like Ada, or a much smaller populated county like Latah.
>
> Perhaps you are just stirring the pot here, because it seems incredible to
> defend a system that would allow a president to be chosen based on winning
> 21.8% of the vote, and grants votes in some states far more weight than in
> other states, unless not fully supporting democratic one person one vote
> principles.
>
> Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
> ----------------------------------------------
> Text below from article at website below:
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tyler-lewis/why-we-should-
> abolish-the_1_b_8961256.html
> <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/author/tyler-lewis> Tyler Lewis
>
> *3) A Person Can Become President By Winning Only 21.8% of the Popular
> Vote*
>
> As previously stated, the Electoral College is a winner take all system.
> If a candidate wins the popular vote of a state by a just a single vote, he
> generally receives all the electoral votes of that state (excluding Maine
> and Nebraska). Combine this with the fact that smaller states receive more
> electoral votes per person than larger states, and it becomes possible to
> win the presidency by winning just 21.8% of the American public’s vote.
>
> According to a study
> <https://www.squarefree.com/2004/11/01/winning-an-election-with-22-of-the-popular-vote/>
> done by Jesse Ruderman, “A presidential candidate could be elected with as
> a little as 21.8% of the popular vote by getting just over 50% of the votes
> in DC and each of 39 small states. This is true even when everyone votes
> and there are only two candidates. In other words, a candidate could lose
> with 78.2% of the popular vote by getting just under 50% in small states
> and 100% in large states.”
> --------------------------------------------
> Each person's vote should be weighted the same, unless you object somehow
> to fair representative democracy.  The electoral college sometimes dilutes
> the votes of US citizens when we get an outcome like Bush v. Gore 2000, or
> Trump v. Hillary 2016, as this excerpt from the article further explains:
> <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/author/tyler-lewis>
>
> As fairvote.org explains, “For instance, each individual vote in Wyoming
> counts nearly four times as much in the Electoral College as each
> individual vote in Texas. This is because Wyoming has three (3) electoral
> votes for a population of 532,668 citizens (as of 2008 Census Bureau
> estimates) and Texas has thirty-two (32) electoral votes for a population
> of almost 25 million. By dividing the population by electoral votes, we can
> see that Wyoming has one “elector” for every 177,556 people and Texas has
> one “elector” for about every 715,499.”
>
> By giving smaller states more electoral votes per person than larger
> states, disparity was created across the nation in regards to the
> significance of each citizens’ vote. With the Electoral College, the value
> of a vote depends on what state a person lives in.
>
>
>
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>> *From:* Nicholas Gier <ngier006 at gmail.com>
>> *To:* vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 11, 2016 11:31 AM
>> *Subject:* [Vision2020] Hillary Won by 2 Million Votes! More than Gore,
>> Nixon, Kennedy
>>
>> NY Times, Nov. 11
>>
>> Hillary Clinton didn’t just win the popular vote. She won it by a
>> substantial margin.
>> By the time all the ballots are counted, she seems likely to be ahead by
>> more than 2 million votes and more than 1.5 percentage points, according
>> to
>> <http://p.nytimes.com/email/re?location=pMJKdIFVI6pehkIEQ5/wRr6MZeaebV9ey6JTj6EssbnkGPFwrHQAyyTmM3EOBy+A6iORXC/pWMs=&campaign_id=69&instance_id=86172&segment_id=98021&user_id=4a205c5a62f3a4293ec5342704c0aac0&regi_id=29749741> my
>> Times colleague Nate Cohn. She will have won by a wider percentage margin
>> than not only Al Gore in 2000
>> <http://p.nytimes.com/email/re?location=gTrU3W/9enTENHkvqbCdzZgkiTHF9UbCDD4W0GhG39P5Eyf7TltaK0BpBJHmP9mI6/jeDZp5NGKCpVGSwJxHiepw3hduVzKff3iiQHZx7X4=&campaign_id=69&instance_id=86172&segment_id=98021&user_id=4a205c5a62f3a4293ec5342704c0aac0&regi_id=29749741> but
>> also Richard Nixon in 1968
>> <http://p.nytimes.com/email/re?location=gTrU3W/9enTENHkvqbCdzZgkiTHF9UbCDD4W0GhG39P5Eyf7TltaK0BpBJHmP9mI6PkjHcl220G0ujhkK0RiYepw3hduVzKff3iiQHZx7X4=&campaign_id=69&instance_id=86172&segment_id=98021&user_id=4a205c5a62f3a4293ec5342704c0aac0&regi_id=29749741> and
>> John F. Kennedy in 1960
>> <http://p.nytimes.com/email/re?location=gTrU3W/9enTENHkvqbCdzZgkiTHF9UbCDD4W0GhG39P5Eyf7TltaK0BpBJHmP9mI6PkjHcl220GCpVGSwJxHiepw3hduVzKff3iiQHZx7X4=&campaign_id=69&instance_id=86172&segment_id=98021&user_id=4a205c5a62f3a4293ec5342704c0aac0&regi_id=29749741>.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they
>> shall never sit in.
>>
>> -Greek proverb
>>
>> “Enlightenment is man’s emergence from his self-imposed immaturity.
>> Immaturity is the inability to use one’s understanding without guidance
>> from another. This immaturity is self- imposed when its cause lies not in
>> lack of understanding, but in lack of resolve and courage to use it without
>> guidance from another. Sapere Aude! ‘Have courage to use your own
>> understand-ing!—that is the motto of enlightenment.
>>
>> --Immanuel Kant
>>
>>
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