[Vision2020] Palouse area mostly accepting, but not immune to hate

g crabtree direoutcome at gmail.com
Sat Jun 18 16:36:39 PDT 2016


You're welcome. Meeting and exceeding your expectations is my highest
priority.

g

On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 8:10 AM, Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
wrote:

> How very, very peculiar it is you think being a top level consumer of
> gossip, rumor, and conspiracy theories qualifies you to diagnose the sexual
> orientation of another.  WTG!  Did you get your “Thought Police” code from
> your box of Cracker Jacks or something?
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> Lucky for *you* many of us don’t have such low standards.
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> Thanks for clarifying, though, that you are part of the problem.
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> Saundra Lund
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> Moscow, ID
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> I distrust those who know so well what God wants them to do because I
> notice it always coincides with their own desires.
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> ~ Susan B. Anthony
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> *From:* g crabtree [mailto:direoutcome at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2016 5:09 PM
> *To:* Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
> *Cc:* Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
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> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Palouse area mostly accepting, but not immune
> to hate
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> I am in the "magical position" of being able to watch CNN interview fellow
> police academy classmates and patrons of the bar he frequented and after
> many months of being a regular patron, shot to pieces. Being able to listen
> to the reports of guys he was in contact with via some sort of homosexual
> dating app. Oh, and there is of course his first wife whom the FBI
> curiously admonished to not assert that the shooter was gay after she
> previously had made that statement. And yes, I was able to do this from
> clear across the country and never having spoken with the psychopath in
> question.
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> I know it's a hoot to blame all the ills of the world on white
> heterosexual males but, in this instance you really need to search a little
> further afield for your "part of the problem."
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> g
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> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
> wrote:
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> Wow – I find it pretty astonishing and disturbing you think you’re in some
> magical position to determine or declare the sexual orientation of someone
> across the country you never met let alone ever engaged in discussion.
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> But, you’re not part of the problem, are you?
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> Saundra Lund
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> Moscow, ID
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> No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted.
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> ~ Aesop (The Lion and the Mouse)
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> *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:
> vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] *On Behalf Of *g crabtree
> *Sent:* Friday, June 17, 2016 7:35 AM
> *To:* Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Palouse area mostly accepting, but not immune
> to hate
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> I'm confused by this article. What does the Orlando incident have to do
> with heterosexual tolerance of homosexuals in Moscow? The crime in Florida
> was clearly carried out by another homosexual and as such bears no
> reflection on the mainstream citizens of that area. To the contrary, the
> outpouring of grief and desires to be of assistance to the victims and
> their loved ones belies any sort of expression of hate. The incident in
> Orlando was a tragedy to be sure but in no way could it be considered an
> expression of the heterosexual communities lack of acceptance for their
> fellow Floridians.
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> g
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> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 4:28 AM, Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com>
> wrote:
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> The Moscow City Council (May 14, 2013)
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> http://www.tomandrodna.com/soundbites/CC_051413_Familyunits.mp3
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> Courtesy of today's (June 17, 2017) Moscow-Pullman Daily News.
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> Palouse area mostly accepting, but not immune to hate
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> Members of the LGBT community shed light on their experiences in Pullman,
> Moscow
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> Some members of the LGBT communities in Moscow and Pullman say they have
> been subject to hate and threats and even lost friends because of their
> orientation and gender presentation here on the Palouse, but they say the
> area is mostly safe and accepting.
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> They say they've been followed, picketed, threatened and sometimes they
> have to think twice about holding a partner's hand in public. Some have hid
> their sexuality to avoid losing a job.
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> Most, however, say it is only a small number of people who don't accept
> them on the Palouse.
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> In the wake of the past weekend's shooting that left 49 dead at the Pulse
> Orlando Night Club & Ultra Lounge, a gay nightclub in Orlando, Fla., local
> members of the LGBT community say they won't live their lives in fear.
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> "I'm not afraid of something like that happening here," said Katie Noble,
> a lesbian and violence prevention educator at Washington State University.
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> Gordon Mellot, 33, has performed at drag shows in Moscow and Pullman for
> the past 13 years.
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> "Moscow is a pretty safe community but there are always two or three
> people hiding in the shadows that you have to be aware of," Mellot said.
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> While the Palouse is overall inclusive, Kathy Sprague, a Moscow native who
> has organized drag shows in Moscow and Pullman for more than 20 years, has
> experienced some of the worst it has to offer.
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> She said she received death threats after running for Moscow City Council
> in 1993. One message left on her answering machine she still distinctly
> remembers: "Die you f-----g dykes." She also said her friend William
> Hendrick, who was gay, was murdered in Moscow in 1999 because of his sexual
> orientation. The case has not been solved.
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> Sprague, 51, said she was also a friend of Steve Nelson, a former
> University of Idaho student and employee who responded to an online ad for
> sex in southern Idaho in early May and was beaten and robbed by four men.
> He died from his injuries.
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> "There is no denying Steve Nelson's murder was a hate crime. Every day
> someone is gay bashed - sometimes it goes as far as it did with Steve and
> they die," she said. "We can't live in fear - we live knowing that it might
> be us next. You might as well ask every woman in this country if she fears
> being raped, it's always in the back of our mind."
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> Sprague said she still remembers an incident in 1994 after anti-gay
> legislation was proposed in Idaho. She said members of Christ Church and
> its pastor, Doug Wilson, showed up outside a gay dance and displayed
> anti-gay signs, one of which read, "AIDS Inoculation Center."
>
> "I was younger and not as secure in my identity," she said. "And anyone
> who will attack a community while they're down is showing their true colors
> and it certainly isn't being a good Christian."
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> Sprague said tragedies like that in Orlando make many in the LGBTQIA
> community relive previous attacks.
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> "This is what we live with in the back of our minds every single day," she
> said.
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> Brandon Dudley, 29, of Pullman, said he feels safe in Pullman as a gay
> man, but high school was a different story. Dudley said he was bullied
> every day at Pullman High School, to the point he considered suicide once.
> That led to him to dropping out.
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> He later re-enrolled, but he didn't stay long.
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> "I was assigned to give a speech on gay marriage. I told (the teacher) I
> didn't feel comfortable and she told me I had no choice," he said. "The
> class erupted with students calling me a faggot ... that was my last day at
> PHS."
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> He said he now receives more flack for being African-American than a
> homosexual.
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> For Noble, 32, it wasn't until a few years ago that she started working at
> Washington State University and was able to come out and be open with her
> sexuality at work. She said her previous Pullman employer had told her "gay
> people should be lobotomized and shouldn't have the same rights as other
> people."
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> "He said it's a mental illness or defect that should be fixed," Noble
> said. "It wasn't a fun experience working for someone who didn't accept me
> for who I was. There are definitely situations you have to gauge how
> publicly you want to be about your sexuality."
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> Mellot said he's been followed and had his neighbors throw beer bottles at
> him and call him names, but such instances are rare.
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> "They've chased me down saying I don't belong here, 'there's no place in
> Moscow for people like you,' and they're sick of us 'trying to take over
> the community,' " he said. "They don't happen often, but when they do they
> resonate hard with me. Moscow is a safe place - when it does happen it's so
> out of the norm."
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> Dudley said he was considering studying pre-law in Orlando.
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> "I would have been there at this time, I could have been at that club," he
> said. "Those are my friends - that could have been me."
>
> Noble doesn't have any Orlando ties, but he hopes those killed were loved.
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> "I feel fortunate that I have a biological family that loves me and
> supports me. There are so many people in the LGBTQ community that don't
> have that. That's why I feel so much sadness and sorrow for 49 people I
> never met," she said, crying on the phone. "I know how difficult it can be
> to be afraid of who you are, and not be able to express that. I hope they
> were loved, and they knew that.
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> "For every violent person there are 40 that are not violent. All it takes
> for us to use our voice - that's how the numbers change and violence
> happens less often."
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> Sprague had a similar message.
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> "When you hear someone say, 'that's so gay,' call them on it. 'You throw
> like a girl,' it's all tied together. Rape culture, misogyny, they're all
> heads to the same hydra," Sprague said. "We need to treat everyone with
> kindness and respect, and call our peers on it when they are not doing
> that."
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> "Just Two Men Who Do-Si-Do"
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> http://www.tomandrodna.com/Songs/Marriage/Do_Si_Do.mp3
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> "Gay Girls Make Great Moms"
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> http://www.tomandrodna.com/Songs/Marriage/Gay_Girls_Make_Great_Moms.mp3
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> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
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> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
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> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
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> Tom "Free to be you and me" Hansen
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> Moscow, Idaho
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