[Vision2020] Keeping church and state of mind separate in Moscow

Wed May 20 03:43:41 PDT 2015

I recall when a local coffee house with ties to CC was accused of
refusing to serve a homosexual couple and the stink that was created as a
result. I also remember that the accusation was made up of whole cloth to
further a discussion very similar to this one. I for one, would like to see
your link.

A question that I would have is, if all MFC policy is to be cemented into
place in a manner that is pleasing to a certain group today, why bother
with paying attention to the future owners wishes and holding elections for
board members at all?

g

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Hopefully getting this topic back on track...
>
> Paul writes:
> <Why don't we wait and chastise those Christ Church-affiliated board
> members *after* they propose doing whatever evil things you think they are
> going to propose?  That way, we're judging them based on their actions, and
> not their religious affiliation and our own fears and prejudices.>
>
> That's fine Paul.  Why don't we start with Doug crowing about how much of
> a privilege it was for him on Sunday night in Cd'A to be rubbing elbows
> with the likes of Aaron and Melissa Klein - the owners of the Oregon bakery
> who refused to make /sell products to a lesbian couple that would otherwise
> sell to heterosexual couples.  Is that enough action for you to render a
> verdict on Doug and the bakery owners?  If not, then feel free to bow out
> of the conversation if you can't make a call one way or the other.
>
> It's blatantly obvious that Doug supports refusing service to gay
> couples.  He's even written so right here on this forum that if he owned a
> restaurant, he wouldn't serve gay couples and would kick them off the
> premises.  If you want a link that post, let me know and I'll provide it.
>
> From there, how hard is it to connect the dots?  Doug preaches his brand
> of hate and instructs his gullible flock not serve 'homo couples' equally
> as married couples.  Apparently there are 3 of 7 Moscow Food Co-op board
> members with close ties to Doug.  MFC's policy presently is to treat
> 'same-sex couples as equals.'  The board was polled regarding this policy
> and one member's response was 'based on his personal beliefs and the Bible
> he studies, he does not believe equality extends to same-sex marriage and
> it is not something he would personally endorse.'
>
> Personally, I think it unwise to take a 'wait and see' attitude as Doug's
> minions continue to stack the deck.  MFC's policy should be cemented now so
> that no matter how much of Doug's influence infiltrates the board that
> same-sex couples will continue to be treated as equals by the MFC ad
> infinitum.
>
> -Scott
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 08:04:19 -0700
> From: paul.rumelhart at gmail.com
> To: moscowcares at moscow.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Keeping church and state of mind separate in
> Moscow
>
> I have an idea.  Why don't we wait and chastise those Christ
> Church-affiliated board members *after* they propose doing whatever evil
> things you think they are going to propose?  That way, we're judging them
> based on their actions, and not their religious affiliation and our own
> fears and prejudices.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Paul
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 4:40 AM, Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com>
> wrote:
>
> *Bill London's Debate With Christ Church's Doug Wilson *(January 27, 2004)
> http://www.moscowcares.com/Bill_London/London_Wilson_Debate_KUOI_012704.htm
>
> Courtesy of today's (May 19, 2015) Moscow-Pullman Daily News.
>
> --------------------------------------
> Our View: Keeping church and state of mind separate in Moscow
>
> *By Lee Rozen , for the Editorial Board*
>
> By embracing the vibe of peace, love, funky stuff and local, natural foods
> whenever possible, the Moscow Food Co-op has become a local institution
> that helps define the zeitgeist of the city.
>
> Much more than do the city's 17 fast-food joints, the co-op helps define
> Moscow for many of its residents - as do the old brick 1912 Center and City
> Hall, Tye-Dye Everything, bicycle shops, the University of Idaho, the
> Farmers Market, One World Cafe and East City Park's festivals.
>
> The co-op's stature as one of the defining organizations downtown has led
> to some angst recently that it might change - or be changed. Being a co-op,
> it is owned and run by its members, most of whom note who is running in the
> elections for its board each year and then don't bother to vote.
>
> So far, that's worked. But this year, two of the three new board members
> are affiliated with Christ Church. Another member of the board is, also.
>
> So what, you might ask? Is it a problem if there are a bunch of Methodists
> or Wiccans on the board? The Christ Church members didn't reveal their
> church affiliation during the election, but then neither did any other
> member or candidate for the board.
>
> The concern has to do with the nature of Christ Church, led by the
> gay-baiting Pastor Doug Wilson. The co-op's personnel policies have always
> been rather inclusive of nearly any lifestyle choice. Christ Church not so
> much. There's concern that a fourth member on the seven-member board from
> Christ Church might want to change those personnel policies, among other
> things.
>
> It's almost like Monsanto, that company of caustic chemicals and
> genetically modified seeds for corporate farms, suddenly had three
> affiliates on the co-op board. And they just hadn't thought it important to
> mention that connection.
>
> Wilson in the past has made statements - whether hyperbolic or not - about
> Moscow being the right size town because it was both capable of and worth
> being taken over in the course of 35 years or so. People remember.
>
> New Saint Andrews, Logos, Bucer's, Nuart and Anselm House are all also
> associated with the Christ Church organization. Hardly overwhelming.
>
> There are many who don't want the co-op to be next. We're among them.
> --------------------------------------
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares"
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
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