[Vision2020] Ted Cruz launches 2016 presidential run

Paul Rumelhart paul.rumelhart at gmail.com
Tue Mar 24 11:37:59 PDT 2015


That's an interesting take on things.  Do you have anything to back up the
idea that a person board abroad to a U.S. citizen is considered
"naturalized" vs. "natural born"?

Paul

On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:

> Ted Cruz was born in Canada.  At that time he acquired Canadian
> citizenship.  His mother was/is a U.S. citizen.  As such, Ted Cruz acquired
> "naturalized" U.S. citizenship due to his mother's
> U.S. citizenship, NOT "natural born" citizenship.
>
> Ok?
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
> On Mar 24, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Paul Rumelhart <paul.rumelhart at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Does he have a birth certificate or a naturalization certificate?
>
> Paul
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>
>> Cruz is a "naturalized citizen", NOT a "natural born citizen" as required
>> by the U.S. Constitution to run for President of the United States.
>>
>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>
>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>>
>> - John Lennon
>>
>>
>> On Mar 24, 2015, at 11:18 AM, Paul Rumelhart <paul.rumelhart at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure why you think this strengthens your case.  It further
>> suggests a categorization of citizens (those natural born and those
>> naturalized).  Both are citizens.  The only difference I know of between
>> them is that to be President you have to be "natural born" instead of
>> "naturalized".
>>
>> Are you trying to say that Cruz is not a citizen?  Are you trying to say
>> that he did not become a citizen at birth?  Are you trying to say that he
>> was born an alien and then was naturalized?  What exactly is your thesis?
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>    1. Hmmm.
>>>
>>> *"NATURALIZED CITIZEN*. One who, being born an alien, has lawfully
>>>    become a *citizen* of the United States Under the constitution and
>>>    laws. He has all the rights of a natural born *citizen*, except that
>>>    of being eligible as president or vice-president of the United States.
>>>
>>>    http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/n039.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>>
>>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>>> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>>>
>>> Tom Hansen
>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 4:12 PM, Paul Rumelhart <paul.rumelhart at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not on the Supreme Court, but it seems to me that there are two ways
>>> to become a citizen - you either become a citizen at birth, or you become
>>> "naturalized" later.  The website I linked to talks about a "naturalization
>>> test", so it seems to me that another way of saying that you become a
>>> citizen at birth is that you are "natural born".
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mr. Rumelhart -
>>>>
>>>> Your reference addresses satisfying the citizenship requirement to
>>>> vote, be issued a social security number, or run for congress.
>>>>
>>>> This requirement is taken a huge step forward when running for
>>>> president.  Hence the "natural born citizenship" stipulation of the
>>>> Constitution.
>>>>
>>>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>>>
>>>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>>>> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>>>>
>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>
>>>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
>>>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
>>>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>>>>
>>>> - John Lennon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 3:54 PM, Paul Rumelhart <paul.rumelhart at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From a casual reading of the Constitution, "natural born" appears to
>>>> mean that you became a citizen at birth rather than becoming "naturalized"
>>>> later in life.  Here is a snippet from the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration
>>>> Services website on how to become a US citizen (
>>>> http://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship):
>>>>
>>>> "To become a citizen at birth, you must:
>>>>
>>>>    - Have been born in the United States or certain territories or
>>>>    outlying possessions of the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction
>>>>    of the United States; OR
>>>>    - had a parent or parents who were citizens at the time of your
>>>>    birth (if you were born abroad) and meet other requirements"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure (as Sunil states) that the law is much more detailed than
>>>> this, but that seems to be the gist of it.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not a fan of Ted Cruz (or President Obama, for that matter), but it
>>>> seems pretty clear.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ted Cruz is NOT a natural born US citizen, which makes him
>>>>> constitutionally ineligible to run for president.  It really is . . . JUST
>>>>> . . . THAT . . . SIMPLE.
>>>>>
>>>>> But, then, laws (constitutional and otherwise) are only as strong as
>>>>> those who enforce them!
>>>>>
>>>>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>>>>
>>>>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>>>>> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 3:15 PM, Sunil <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Do I find it worthy of much discussion? Beyond pointing out
>>>>> hypocrisy, no.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a take from someone with several connected brain cells:
>>>>>
>>>>> 'I assume liberals are not going to jump on this Ted Cruz being born
>>>>> in Canada business with the same fervor as the right's masturbatory
>>>>> obsession with Obama's birth certificate because the facts are clear: he is
>>>>> eligible to run for president.  But it cannot pass unnoted that the right
>>>>> wing spent years attacking Obama for allegedly not being a "natural born
>>>>> American" even to the extent that they claimed he faked his birth
>>>>> certificate. But the fact is that he *was* born in the US and *it
>>>>> wouldn't have mattered *if he hadn't been since his mother was
>>>>> American, *just like Ted Cruz's.*'
>>>>>
>>>>> Read more here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2015/03/the-canadian-candidate.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Sunil
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> From: thansen at moscow.com
>>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 08:38:47 -0700
>>>>> To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com
>>>>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ted Cruz launches 2016 presidential run
>>>>>
>>>>> Jus' what I expected from Mr. Dredge . . . mindless rhetoric . . . no
>>>>> thought-out, open-for-discussion response . . . something that would open
>>>>> the proverbial floor to debate among those of us with connected brain cells.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does ANYBODY on this list care to discuss Ted Cruz' citizenship and
>>>>> how it impacts his candidacy for President of the United States . . . or is
>>>>> it as simple as I Initially suggested?
>>>>>
>>>>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>>>>
>>>>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>>>>> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>>
>>>>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
>>>>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
>>>>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>>>>>
>>>>> - John Lennon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 7:59 AM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <Where are the "birthers" at?>
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks like you're already doing a good job of following their lead.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 7:33 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Where are the "birthers" at?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ted Cruz was born . . . in Canada . . . in a Canadian hospital . . .
>>>>> to a US-born mother and a Cuban father.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is your definition of "natural born citizen"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Courtesy of today's (March 23, 2015) Spokesman-Review.
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>> Ted Cruz launches 2016 presidential run
>>>>>
>>>>> WASHINGTON – Texas Republican Sen. Ted Cruz has become the first major
>>>>> candidate for president, kicking off what’s expected to be a rush over the
>>>>> next few weeks of more than a dozen White House hopefuls into the
>>>>> 2016 campaign.
>>>>>
>>>>> “I am running for president and I hope to earn your support,” the tea
>>>>> party favorite said in a Twitter message posted just after midnight today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cruz will formally launch his bid during a speech this morning at
>>>>> Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia, choosing to begin his campaign
>>>>> at the Christian college founded by the Rev. Jerry Falwell rather than his
>>>>> home state of Texas or the early voting states of Iowa and New Hampshire.
>>>>> It’s a fitting setting for Cruz, a 44-year-old tea party darling whose
>>>>> entry into the 2016 campaign drew cheers Sunday among fellow conservatives.
>>>>>
>>>>> Amy Kremer, the former head of the Tea Party Express, said that the
>>>>> Republican pool of candidates “will take a quantum leap forward” with
>>>>> Cruz’s announcement, adding that it “will excite the base in a way we
>>>>> haven’t seen in years.”
>>>>>
>>>>> Elected for the first time just three years ago, when he defeated an
>>>>> establishment figure in Texas politics with decades of experience in
>>>>> office, Cruz has hinted openly for more than a year that he wants to move
>>>>> down Pennsylvania Avenue from the Senate into the White House.
>>>>>
>>>>> In an online video promoted on his Twitter account, Cruz offered a
>>>>> preview of his campaign’s message.
>>>>>
>>>>> “It’s a time for truth, a time to rise to the challenge, just as
>>>>> Americans have always done. I believe in America and her people, and I
>>>>> believe we can stand up and restore our promise,” Cruz said as images of
>>>>> farm fields, city skylines and American landmarks and symbols played in the
>>>>> background. “It’s going to take a new generation of courageous
>>>>> conservatives to help make America great again, and I’m ready to stand with
>>>>> you to lead the fight.”
>>>>>
>>>>> While Cruz is the first Republican to declare his candidacy, he is all
>>>>> but certain to be followed by several big names in the GOP, including
>>>>> former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and two Senate
>>>>> colleagues, Kentucky’s Rand Paul and Florida’s Marco Rubio.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Houston Chronicle first reported details about Cruz’s campaign
>>>>> launch. His move puts him into pole position among those whose strategy to
>>>>> win the nomination counts on courting the party’s most conservative voters,
>>>>> who hold an outsized influence in the Republican nominating process.
>>>>>
>>>>> “Cruz is going to make it tough for all of the candidates who are
>>>>> fighting to emerge as the champion of the anti-establishment wing of the
>>>>> party,” said GOP strategist Kevin Madden. “That is starting to look like
>>>>> quite a scrum where lots of candidates will be throwing some sharp elbows.”
>>>>>
>>>>> Following his election to the Senate in 2012, the former Texas
>>>>> solicitor general quickly established himself as an uncompromising
>>>>> conservative willing to take on Democrats and Republicans alike. He won
>>>>> praise from tea party activists in 2013 for leading the GOP’s push to
>>>>> partially shut the federal government during an unsuccessful bid to block
>>>>> money for President Barack Obama’s health care law.
>>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>>>>
>>>>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>>>>> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>>
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