[Vision2020] Ted Cruz launches 2016 presidential run
Paul Rumelhart
paul.rumelhart at gmail.com
Tue Mar 24 11:26:11 PDT 2015
Does he have a birth certificate or a naturalization certificate?
Paul
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
> Cruz is a "naturalized citizen", NOT a "natural born citizen" as required
> by the U.S. Constitution to run for President of the United States.
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
> On Mar 24, 2015, at 11:18 AM, Paul Rumelhart <paul.rumelhart at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure why you think this strengthens your case. It further
> suggests a categorization of citizens (those natural born and those
> naturalized). Both are citizens. The only difference I know of between
> them is that to be President you have to be "natural born" instead of
> "naturalized".
>
> Are you trying to say that Cruz is not a citizen? Are you trying to say
> that he did not become a citizen at birth? Are you trying to say that he
> was born an alien and then was naturalized? What exactly is your thesis?
>
> Paul
>
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> 1. Hmmm.
>>
>> *"NATURALIZED CITIZEN*. One who, being born an alien, has lawfully
>> become a *citizen* of the United States Under the constitution and
>> laws. He has all the rights of a natural born *citizen*, except that
>> of being eligible as president or vice-president of the United States.
>>
>> http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/n039.htm
>>
>>
>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>
>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 4:12 PM, Paul Rumelhart <paul.rumelhart at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm not on the Supreme Court, but it seems to me that there are two ways
>> to become a citizen - you either become a citizen at birth, or you become
>> "naturalized" later. The website I linked to talks about a "naturalization
>> test", so it seems to me that another way of saying that you become a
>> citizen at birth is that you are "natural born".
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mr. Rumelhart -
>>>
>>> Your reference addresses satisfying the citizenship requirement to vote,
>>> be issued a social security number, or run for congress.
>>>
>>> This requirement is taken a huge step forward when running for
>>> president. Hence the "natural born citizenship" stipulation of the
>>> Constitution.
>>>
>>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>>
>>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>>> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>>>
>>> Tom Hansen
>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>
>>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
>>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
>>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>>>
>>> - John Lennon
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 3:54 PM, Paul Rumelhart <paul.rumelhart at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> From a casual reading of the Constitution, "natural born" appears to
>>> mean that you became a citizen at birth rather than becoming "naturalized"
>>> later in life. Here is a snippet from the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration
>>> Services website on how to become a US citizen (
>>> http://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship):
>>>
>>> "To become a citizen at birth, you must:
>>>
>>> - Have been born in the United States or certain territories or
>>> outlying possessions of the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction
>>> of the United States; OR
>>> - had a parent or parents who were citizens at the time of your
>>> birth (if you were born abroad) and meet other requirements"
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm sure (as Sunil states) that the law is much more detailed than this,
>>> but that seems to be the gist of it.
>>>
>>> I'm not a fan of Ted Cruz (or President Obama, for that matter), but it
>>> seems pretty clear.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ted Cruz is NOT a natural born US citizen, which makes him
>>>> constitutionally ineligible to run for president. It really is . . . JUST
>>>> . . . THAT . . . SIMPLE.
>>>>
>>>> But, then, laws (constitutional and otherwise) are only as strong as
>>>> those who enforce them!
>>>>
>>>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>>>
>>>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>>>> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>>>>
>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 3:15 PM, Sunil <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Do I find it worthy of much discussion? Beyond pointing out
>>>> hypocrisy, no.
>>>>
>>>> Here's a take from someone with several connected brain cells:
>>>>
>>>> 'I assume liberals are not going to jump on this Ted Cruz being born in
>>>> Canada business with the same fervor as the right's masturbatory obsession
>>>> with Obama's birth certificate because the facts are clear: he is eligible
>>>> to run for president. But it cannot pass unnoted that the right wing spent
>>>> years attacking Obama for allegedly not being a "natural born American"
>>>> even to the extent that they claimed he faked his birth certificate. But
>>>> the fact is that he *was* born in the US and *it wouldn't have
>>>> mattered *if he hadn't been since his mother was American, *just like
>>>> Ted Cruz's.*'
>>>>
>>>> Read more here:
>>>>
>>>> http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2015/03/the-canadian-candidate.html
>>>>
>>>> Sunil
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> From: thansen at moscow.com
>>>> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 08:38:47 -0700
>>>> To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com
>>>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ted Cruz launches 2016 presidential run
>>>>
>>>> Jus' what I expected from Mr. Dredge . . . mindless rhetoric . . . no
>>>> thought-out, open-for-discussion response . . . something that would open
>>>> the proverbial floor to debate among those of us with connected brain cells.
>>>>
>>>> Does ANYBODY on this list care to discuss Ted Cruz' citizenship and how
>>>> it impacts his candidacy for President of the United States . . . or is it
>>>> as simple as I Initially suggested?
>>>>
>>>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>>>
>>>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>>>> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>>>>
>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>
>>>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
>>>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
>>>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>>>>
>>>> - John Lennon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 7:59 AM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <Where are the "birthers" at?>
>>>>
>>>> It looks like you're already doing a good job of following their lead.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 7:33 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Where are the "birthers" at?
>>>>
>>>> Ted Cruz was born . . . in Canada . . . in a Canadian hospital . . . to
>>>> a US-born mother and a Cuban father.
>>>>
>>>> What is your definition of "natural born citizen"?
>>>>
>>>> Courtesy of today's (March 23, 2015) Spokesman-Review.
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>> Ted Cruz launches 2016 presidential run
>>>>
>>>> WASHINGTON – Texas Republican Sen. Ted Cruz has become the first major
>>>> candidate for president, kicking off what’s expected to be a rush over the
>>>> next few weeks of more than a dozen White House hopefuls into the
>>>> 2016 campaign.
>>>>
>>>> “I am running for president and I hope to earn your support,” the tea
>>>> party favorite said in a Twitter message posted just after midnight today.
>>>>
>>>> Cruz will formally launch his bid during a speech this morning at
>>>> Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia, choosing to begin his campaign
>>>> at the Christian college founded by the Rev. Jerry Falwell rather than his
>>>> home state of Texas or the early voting states of Iowa and New Hampshire.
>>>> It’s a fitting setting for Cruz, a 44-year-old tea party darling whose
>>>> entry into the 2016 campaign drew cheers Sunday among fellow conservatives.
>>>>
>>>> Amy Kremer, the former head of the Tea Party Express, said that the
>>>> Republican pool of candidates “will take a quantum leap forward” with
>>>> Cruz’s announcement, adding that it “will excite the base in a way we
>>>> haven’t seen in years.”
>>>>
>>>> Elected for the first time just three years ago, when he defeated an
>>>> establishment figure in Texas politics with decades of experience in
>>>> office, Cruz has hinted openly for more than a year that he wants to move
>>>> down Pennsylvania Avenue from the Senate into the White House.
>>>>
>>>> In an online video promoted on his Twitter account, Cruz offered a
>>>> preview of his campaign’s message.
>>>>
>>>> “It’s a time for truth, a time to rise to the challenge, just as
>>>> Americans have always done. I believe in America and her people, and I
>>>> believe we can stand up and restore our promise,” Cruz said as images of
>>>> farm fields, city skylines and American landmarks and symbols played in the
>>>> background. “It’s going to take a new generation of courageous
>>>> conservatives to help make America great again, and I’m ready to stand with
>>>> you to lead the fight.”
>>>>
>>>> While Cruz is the first Republican to declare his candidacy, he is all
>>>> but certain to be followed by several big names in the GOP, including
>>>> former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and two Senate
>>>> colleagues, Kentucky’s Rand Paul and Florida’s Marco Rubio.
>>>>
>>>> The Houston Chronicle first reported details about Cruz’s campaign
>>>> launch. His move puts him into pole position among those whose strategy to
>>>> win the nomination counts on courting the party’s most conservative voters,
>>>> who hold an outsized influence in the Republican nominating process.
>>>>
>>>> “Cruz is going to make it tough for all of the candidates who are
>>>> fighting to emerge as the champion of the anti-establishment wing of the
>>>> party,” said GOP strategist Kevin Madden. “That is starting to look like
>>>> quite a scrum where lots of candidates will be throwing some sharp elbows.”
>>>>
>>>> Following his election to the Senate in 2012, the former Texas
>>>> solicitor general quickly established himself as an uncompromising
>>>> conservative willing to take on Democrats and Republicans alike. He won
>>>> praise from tea party activists in 2013 for leading the GOP’s push to
>>>> partially shut the federal government during an unsuccessful bid to block
>>>> money for President Barack Obama’s health care law.
>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>>>
>>>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>>>> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>>>>
>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>
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