[Vision2020] Ted Cruz launches 2016 presidential run
Nicholas Gier
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Tue Mar 24 11:16:33 PDT 2015
On an NPR broadcast yesterday, a law professor said that only SCOTUS can
make the definitive decision on this.
nfg
On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
> Maybe . . . Maybe not!
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
> On Mar 24, 2015, at 10:53 AM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Case closed!!
>
> On Mar 24, 2015, at 10:26 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>
>
> 1. Hmmm.
>
> *"NATURALIZED CITIZEN*. One who, being born an alien, has lawfully become
> a *citizen* of the United States Under the constitution and laws. He
> has all the rights of a natural born *citizen*, except that of being
> eligible as president or vice-president of the United States.
>
> http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/n039.htm
>
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
>
> On Mar 23, 2015, at 4:12 PM, Paul Rumelhart <paul.rumelhart at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I'm not on the Supreme Court, but it seems to me that there are two ways
> to become a citizen - you either become a citizen at birth, or you become
> "naturalized" later. The website I linked to talks about a "naturalization
> test", so it seems to me that another way of saying that you become a
> citizen at birth is that you are "natural born".
>
> Paul
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>
>> Mr. Rumelhart -
>>
>> Your reference addresses satisfying the citizenship requirement to vote,
>> be issued a social security number, or run for congress.
>>
>> This requirement is taken a huge step forward when running for
>> president. Hence the "natural born citizenship" stipulation of the
>> Constitution.
>>
>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>
>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>>
>> - John Lennon
>>
>>
>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 3:54 PM, Paul Rumelhart <paul.rumelhart at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> From a casual reading of the Constitution, "natural born" appears to mean
>> that you became a citizen at birth rather than becoming "naturalized" later
>> in life. Here is a snippet from the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration
>> Services website on how to become a US citizen (
>> http://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship):
>>
>> "To become a citizen at birth, you must:
>>
>> - Have been born in the United States or certain territories or
>> outlying possessions of the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction
>> of the United States; OR
>> - had a parent or parents who were citizens at the time of your birth
>> (if you were born abroad) and meet other requirements"
>>
>>
>> I'm sure (as Sunil states) that the law is much more detailed than this,
>> but that seems to be the gist of it.
>>
>> I'm not a fan of Ted Cruz (or President Obama, for that matter), but it
>> seems pretty clear.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ted Cruz is NOT a natural born US citizen, which makes him
>>> constitutionally ineligible to run for president. It really is . . . JUST
>>> . . . THAT . . . SIMPLE.
>>>
>>> But, then, laws (constitutional and otherwise) are only as strong as
>>> those who enforce them!
>>>
>>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>>
>>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>>> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>>>
>>> Tom Hansen
>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 3:15 PM, Sunil <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Do I find it worthy of much discussion? Beyond pointing out hypocrisy,
>>> no.
>>>
>>> Here's a take from someone with several connected brain cells:
>>>
>>> 'I assume liberals are not going to jump on this Ted Cruz being born in
>>> Canada business with the same fervor as the right's masturbatory obsession
>>> with Obama's birth certificate because the facts are clear: he is eligible
>>> to run for president. But it cannot pass unnoted that the right wing spent
>>> years attacking Obama for allegedly not being a "natural born American"
>>> even to the extent that they claimed he faked his birth certificate. But
>>> the fact is that he *was* born in the US and *it wouldn't have mattered
>>> *if he hadn't been since his mother was American, *just like Ted
>>> Cruz's.*'
>>>
>>> Read more here:
>>>
>>> http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2015/03/the-canadian-candidate.html
>>>
>>> Sunil
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> From: thansen at moscow.com
>>> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 08:38:47 -0700
>>> To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com
>>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ted Cruz launches 2016 presidential run
>>>
>>> Jus' what I expected from Mr. Dredge . . . mindless rhetoric . . . no
>>> thought-out, open-for-discussion response . . . something that would open
>>> the proverbial floor to debate among those of us with connected brain cells.
>>>
>>> Does ANYBODY on this list care to discuss Ted Cruz' citizenship and how
>>> it impacts his candidacy for President of the United States . . . or is it
>>> as simple as I Initially suggested?
>>>
>>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>>
>>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>>> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>>>
>>> Tom Hansen
>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>
>>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
>>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
>>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>>>
>>> - John Lennon
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 7:59 AM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> <Where are the "birthers" at?>
>>>
>>> It looks like you're already doing a good job of following their lead.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 7:33 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Where are the "birthers" at?
>>>
>>> Ted Cruz was born . . . in Canada . . . in a Canadian hospital . . . to
>>> a US-born mother and a Cuban father.
>>>
>>> What is your definition of "natural born citizen"?
>>>
>>> Courtesy of today's (March 23, 2015) Spokesman-Review.
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------
>>> Ted Cruz launches 2016 presidential run
>>>
>>> WASHINGTON – Texas Republican Sen. Ted Cruz has become the first major
>>> candidate for president, kicking off what’s expected to be a rush over the
>>> next few weeks of more than a dozen White House hopefuls into the
>>> 2016 campaign.
>>>
>>> “I am running for president and I hope to earn your support,” the tea
>>> party favorite said in a Twitter message posted just after midnight today.
>>>
>>> Cruz will formally launch his bid during a speech this morning at
>>> Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia, choosing to begin his campaign
>>> at the Christian college founded by the Rev. Jerry Falwell rather than his
>>> home state of Texas or the early voting states of Iowa and New Hampshire.
>>> It’s a fitting setting for Cruz, a 44-year-old tea party darling whose
>>> entry into the 2016 campaign drew cheers Sunday among fellow conservatives.
>>>
>>> Amy Kremer, the former head of the Tea Party Express, said that the
>>> Republican pool of candidates “will take a quantum leap forward” with
>>> Cruz’s announcement, adding that it “will excite the base in a way we
>>> haven’t seen in years.”
>>>
>>> Elected for the first time just three years ago, when he defeated an
>>> establishment figure in Texas politics with decades of experience in
>>> office, Cruz has hinted openly for more than a year that he wants to move
>>> down Pennsylvania Avenue from the Senate into the White House.
>>>
>>> In an online video promoted on his Twitter account, Cruz offered a
>>> preview of his campaign’s message.
>>>
>>> “It’s a time for truth, a time to rise to the challenge, just as
>>> Americans have always done. I believe in America and her people, and I
>>> believe we can stand up and restore our promise,” Cruz said as images of
>>> farm fields, city skylines and American landmarks and symbols played in the
>>> background. “It’s going to take a new generation of courageous
>>> conservatives to help make America great again, and I’m ready to stand with
>>> you to lead the fight.”
>>>
>>> While Cruz is the first Republican to declare his candidacy, he is all
>>> but certain to be followed by several big names in the GOP, including
>>> former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and two Senate
>>> colleagues, Kentucky’s Rand Paul and Florida’s Marco Rubio.
>>>
>>> The Houston Chronicle first reported details about Cruz’s campaign
>>> launch. His move puts him into pole position among those whose strategy to
>>> win the nomination counts on courting the party’s most conservative voters,
>>> who hold an outsized influence in the Republican nominating process.
>>>
>>> “Cruz is going to make it tough for all of the candidates who are
>>> fighting to emerge as the champion of the anti-establishment wing of the
>>> party,” said GOP strategist Kevin Madden. “That is starting to look like
>>> quite a scrum where lots of candidates will be throwing some sharp elbows.”
>>>
>>> Following his election to the Senate in 2012, the former Texas solicitor
>>> general quickly established himself as an uncompromising conservative
>>> willing to take on Democrats and Republicans alike. He won praise from tea
>>> party activists in 2013 for leading the GOP’s push to partially shut the
>>> federal government during an unsuccessful bid to block money for President
>>> Barack Obama’s health care law.
>>> --------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>>
>>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>>> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>>>
>>> Tom Hansen
>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>
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