[Vision2020] KTVB and the NSA

Wed Oct 15 17:15:20 PDT 2014

Read up on the dozens of stories that have come to light about what data
the NSA is collecting.  Here is a link listing many of them in detail with
references in a timeline:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillance_disclosures_%282013%E2%80%93present%29.
Be warned, it is a lot of reading.  Don't skim over what the UK and other
countries are doing, we have deals with them too.

I can't tell you if any data they have on you is currently being used
against you, since it's all classified.  It comes down to trust.  I look
through the linked webpage and my trust meter drops to zero.  You may trust
our President, and you may believe he has any say over what the
three-letter agencies are doing, but I don't.  Even if you do, what if Jeb
Bush gets his job?

I can understand you calling me "paranoid" before data on the actual
initiatives were leaked (I would have phrased it as being "cynical"), but I
don't see how you can now without being almost unbelievably naive.

I, on the other hand, just want to go through life without everything I do
being observed and recorded by a government that is supposed to be working
for me.  There is also the thought that because 'Murica is so cool, we
actually know what's going on without people being spirited away into the
night never to be heard from again (though I'd highly recommend Snowden
stay out of reach for another decade or two).  We will never know what the
Russians (government and/or mafia) are doing, or China, or North Korea, or
ISIS or what small bands of black hat hackers are up to.  That's why I
think we need to encrypt everything and provide anonymous networks for
people to use.  Not to mention harden everything.

Paul

On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:

> Prove to me that my personal communications are being closely monitored by
> a government agency for reasons other that are detrimental to my well being.
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2014, at 4:20 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>
> Simple, Mr. Rumelhart -
>
> It is my strong opinion that your concern in this matter is based on
> unsubstantiated paranoia.
>
> If you could avoid using profanity in a public-forum, we can "have an
> actual conversation".
>
> Failing that . . .
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2014, at 4:08 PM, Paul Rumelhart <paul.rumelhart at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> You know, I would be happy to have an actual conversation about this with
> you.  However, if all you are going to do is be a dick, then I don't see
> that actually working out.
>
> Paul
>
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>
>> <image2.png>
>>
>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>
>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>>
>> - John Lennon
>>
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2014, at 2:56 PM, Paul Rumelhart <paul.rumelhart at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Except that, thanks to Snowden, we *know* that they are actually out to
>> get us.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Paranoia . . . self-destroya !
>>>
>>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>>
>>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>>> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>>>
>>> Tom Hansen
>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>
>>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
>>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
>>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>>>
>>> - John Lennon
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 15, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Paul Rumelhart <paul.rumelhart at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think "cdn" is an abbreviation for "content delivery network".
>>>
>>> However, I do think the NSA is scanning everything, regardless.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Kenneth Marcy <kmmos1 at frontier.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/15/2014 8:35 AM, Tom Hansen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ktvb.com/media/cinematic/video/15790544/representative-district-1-debate-2014/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Question: Why does KTVB, owned by an American company, covering an
>>>> American news story, choose to arrange its public news feeds in such a way
>>>> that they flow through Canada on their way from KTVB to American viewers?
>>>> Because the news feeds flow through a foreign country, Canada, they are
>>>> automatically scanned and tracked by the NSA.  Why do KTVB and its owners
>>>> require NSA participation in their news delivery?
>>>>
>>>> If you are unaware of what I am writing about, just download and
>>>> install the software package NoScript into your browser, then look at what
>>>> processes want to run when you click on the link above.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>>
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