[Vision2020] Challening issues

Sun Nov 30 14:52:45 PST 2014

Both backup calls are described in this article from Newsweek:
http://www.newsweek.com/darren-wilsons-grand-jury-testimony-286908?piano_d=1

You're welcome.

Paul

On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:

> Mr. Dredge -
>
> Do you have ANYTHING, beyond your imagination, to substantiate your claim
> (a linked citation would be appropriate) that Officer Wilson, an armed
> police officer (in a car) in pursuit of an unarmed (and on foot)
> 18-year-old, called for backup?
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2014, at 1:16 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> He did radio for backup Tom.  Twice.  Once as he was backing up to the
> suspects and again after shots were fired.
>
> ------------------------------
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Challening issues
> From: thansen at moscow.com
> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 04:18:14 -0800
> CC: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com
>
> Question . . .
>
> Why didn't Officer Wilson use his police radio to contact other police
> units in the area when it became evident that Brown (an unarmed
> 18-year-old) was fleeing, instead of drawing his gun and firing it several
> times at Brown?
>
> Until that question is answered satisfactorily . . . in my opinion . . .
> Officer Wilson should have been indicted and charged with "criminally
> negligent homicide".  Thusly, fulfilling the purpose of a grand jury . . .
> that there is probable cause that Brown was unjustly killed . . . and that
> Officer Wilson may be the perpetrator of that crime . . . or a
> lesser-included offense.
>
> But, I guess that question will neither be asked nor answered.
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares"
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
>
> On Nov 29, 2014, at 11:08 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Sunil, what crime would you have charged him with and what supporting
> evidence would back this charge?
>
> ------------------------------
> From: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 21:40:35 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Challening issues
>
> Scott,
>
> You asked, 'would it disappoint you if they made the decision not to
> indict solely based on the information presented to them and didn't
> consider present or historical race issues at all?'
>
> No, it wouldn't disappoint me if the grand jury didn't consider present or
> historical race issues at all. That was not their job. I did not expect
> them to indict for a racially related charge, and that shouldn't have been
> on the list of possible offenses. There were other charges for which they
> could have indicted without adding that element.
>
> Sunil
>
> ------------------------------
> From: scooterd408 at hotmail.com
> To: donaldrose at cpcinternet.com; vision2020 at moscow.com;
> paul.rumelhart at gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 20:01:57 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Challening issues
>
> I know this is aimed at Paul, but I'm going to chime in all the same.  To
> specifically answer your questions to Paul as if they were asked to me:
> - do you acknowledge the existence of institutional racism? Yes
> - If so, what criteria do you use to evaluate whether or not it is present
> in a situation?  Statistics of the category of institutionalized racism
> that applies coupled with specifics of the present situation
> - Do you admit that white privilege exists? Yes.  Here is a summary:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege
>
> Now since you've previously written that you were 'hoping that the
> majority of the white members of the jury would overcome a long standing
> history of racisim in Missouri and bring an indictment that would have
> facilitated a public trial', would it disappoint you if they made the
> decision not to indict solely based on the information presented to them
> and didn't consider present or historical race issues at all?
>
> -Scott
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: donaldrose at cpcinternet.com
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com; paul.rumelhart at gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 17:58:58 -0800
> Subject: [Vision2020] Challening issues
>
> Paul, do you acknowledge the existence of institutional racism?  If so,
> what criteria do you use to evaluate whether or not it is present in a
> situation?  What  is the history of institutional racism in the U.S.  Do
> you admit that white privilege exists?  Have you ever experienced
> prejudicial treatment based on skin color?  I ask because these questions
> not to criticize but in the hope that you will reflect upon them and
> perhaps consider that it is likely that you have not had wide experience
> with the concept.  You may want to seize the opportunity to learn from
> others who have first-hand experience on the topic.
>
> Rose
>
>
>
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