[Vision2020] Guns and puppies

[Saundra Lund]

By going back to the sane and sensible position that firearms aren't allowed
on campus, which has worked perfectly fine in Idaho until now.

 

 

From: Scott Dredge [mailto:scooterd408 at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 12:31 PM
To: Saundra Lund; 'Gary Crabtree'
Cc: viz; 'Nielsen, Ralph'
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Guns and puppies

 

How would the professors know if students are carrying a concealed weapons
(whether legally or illegally)?  Metal detectors at the classroom entrances?

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From: v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm <mailto:v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm> 
To: moscowlocksmith at gmail.com <mailto:moscowlocksmith at gmail.com> 
Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 12:00:25 -0700
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com> ;
nielsen at uidaho.edu <mailto:nielsen at uidaho.edu> 
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Guns and puppies

Well, I don't suppose we should expect you to be logically coherent or
honest, should we?

 

A professor refusing to be in a classroom or office with someone carrying a
firearm is absolutely NO different than a pharmacist refusing to sell legal
contraceptives or a doctor refusing to provide a legal medical service, and
I think you know that.  And, it's certainly no different than the so-called
conscience clause "legal discrimination" laws the GOP & TPers have been
working overtime to try to ram down the throats of the sane amongst us.

 

But, acknowledging that would show you for the rank hypocrite most of us
already know you to be.  So, go ahead, Gary . . . break out of your mold and
give honesty a try!

 

S

 

 

From: Gary Crabtree [mailto:moscowlocksmith at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 11:50 AM
To: Saundra Lund
Cc: Nielsen, Ralph (nielsen at uidaho.edu <mailto:nielsen at uidaho.edu> );
vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Guns and puppies

 

Professors do have a "conscience clause." They are not forced to carry and
they are free to never go any place that they fear a firearm might be.
Conscience protection affects what you do, not what others do. Such a clause
protects a pharmacist from being forced to sell abortafactants but does not
prevent his customers from acquiring them elsewhere or even possessing/using
them in his presence. A doctor can refuse to end a child's life in the womb
but he can't force a woman to carry it to term. It would seem that a great
many folks most enjoy rules, laws, & clauses when there is an outcome that
can be inflicted on others.

 

g

 

On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm
<mailto:v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm> > wrote:

I read something about that, too.  I know there are always two sides to
every story, but I was disappointed at the roadblocks being thrown up
for such a worthy project.

With respect to guns in classrooms, a friend brought up what I thought
was an interesting point:  why don't professors have conscience clause
protection?  I mean, the GOP is all for conscience clauses in all kinds
of insane situations, so why don't they extend that to professors?  That
would actually make a lot more sense than all the arenas where the GOP
advocates them.

But, I guess that answers my own question, doesn't it:  it would make
sense, and making sense isn't a skill the "modern" GOP and TPers seem to
exhibit very often.


Saundra

On Sun, May 25, 2014, at 04:59 PM, Nielsen, Ralph (nielsen at uidaho.edu
<mailto:nielsen at uidaho.edu> )
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> I believe I read a couple of weeks ago that puppies-in-training for guide
> dogs will not be permitted in University of Idaho classrooms because they
> might become dangerous to the students.
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> How about a compromise here? Since guns will now be allowed in the same
> classrooms, couldn't we depend on those students carrying guns to shoot
> any puppy that shows signs of becoming dangerous?
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