[Vision2020] After losing in Legislature, Idaho college campuses adapting policies to new gun law

[Gary Crabtree]

How does passing along a hyperbolic yet mildly amusing internet chain
letter make someone a "rank liar?"
If reposting silliness from the net is all that's required then lil' tommy
puts Pinocchio to shame.

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On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>wrote:

> Tom, I suggest not wasting your time on little Tucker because critical
> thinking clearly isn’t “his” strong suit as evidenced by this phone meme he
> posted back in October – he clearly belongs in the group that thinks being
> a rank liar is good for America.  Too bad for him the military wouldn’t
> want him:
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> *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:
> vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] *On Behalf Of *Tucker Goodwin
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 23, 2013 4:47 PM
> *To:* Moscow Vision 2020
> *Subject:* [Vision2020] Freedom is not free
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> *FREEDOM IS **NOT FREE........*
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> Since we are not going to get gasoline back to $1.50 per gallon and coffee
> to $2.00 per pound maybe this would be a solution we could live with.
>
> DIVORCE AGREEMENT -- This is so incredibly well-put, and I can hardly
> believe it's by a young person, a student!! Whatever he runs for, I'll vote
> for him!
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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> Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists,
> regressive, Marxists, and Obama supporters, et. al.:
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> We have stuck together since the late 1950s for the sake of the kids, but
> the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a
> divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of
> future generations, but sadly, this relationship has clearly run its
> course.
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> Our two ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever agree on
> what is right for us all, so let's just end it on friendly terms. We can
> smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way.
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> Here is a model separation agreement:
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> 1. Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by land mass, each
> taking a similar portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure
> our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be
> relatively easy. Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide
> other assets since both sides had such distinct and disparate tastes.
>
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> 2. We don't like redistributive taxes, so you can keep them.
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> 3. You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU.
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> 4. Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the
> NRA, and the military.
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> 5. We'll take the nasty, smelly oil industry and you can go with wind,
> solar, and bio-diesel.
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> 6. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore, and Rosie O'Donnell. You are,
> however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move
> all three of them.
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> 7. We'll keep capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies,
> Wal-Mart, and Wall Street.
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> 8. You can have your beloved lifelong welfare dwellers, food stamps,
> homeless homeboys, hippies, druggies, and illegal aliens.
>
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> 9. We'll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEO's and rednecks.
>
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> 10. We'll keep the Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood .
>
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> 11. You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we'll retain the right
> to invade and hammer places that threaten us.
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> 12. You can have the peace-niks and war protesters. When our allies or our
> way of life are under assault, we'll help provide them security.
>
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> 13. We'll keep our Judeo-Christian values.
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> 14. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism, political
> correctness, and Shirley McLain. You can also have the U.N., but we will no
> longer be paying the bill.
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> 15. We'll keep the SUV's, pickup trucks, and oversized luxury cars. You
> can take every Subaru station wagon you can find.
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> 16. You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing
> doctors..
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> 17. We'll continue to believe healthcare is an earned luxury and not a
> right.
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> 18. We'll keep "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" and "The National
> Anthem."
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> 19. I'm sure you'll be happy to substitute "Imagine", "I'd Like to Teach
> the World to Sing", "Kum Ba Ya," or "We Are the World".
>
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> 20. We'll practice trickledown economics and you can continue to give
> trickle up poverty your best shot.
>
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> 21. Since it often so offends you, we'll keep our history, our name and
> our constitution and our flag.
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> 22. Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along to other
> like-minded liberal and conservative patriots and if you do not agree, just
> hit delete. In the spirit of friendly parting, I'll bet you answer which
> one of us will need whose help in 15 years.
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> Sincerely,
>
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> John J. Wall
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> Law Student and an American
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> P.S.: Also, please take Ted Turner, Sean Penn, Martin Sheen, Barbara
> Streisand, and Jane Fonda with you.
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> P.S.S..: And you won't have to "Press 1 for English" when you call our
> country.
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> Forward this every time you get it! Let's keep this going; maybe some of
> it will start sinking in!
>
> **If you can't stand behind our Military, Please feel free to stand in
> front of them! **
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> *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:
> vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Hansen
> *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2014 11:43 AM
> *To:* Tucker Goodwin
> *Cc:* Moscow Vision 2020
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] After losing in Legislature, Idaho college
> campuses adapting policies to new gun law
>
>
>
> So . . .
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>
> Allowing guns on campus will solve this problem? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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> That's like saying that lowering the drinking age will reduce drunk
> driving.
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
>
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
>
>
> Tom Hansen
>
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
>
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
>
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
>
>
> - John Lennon
>
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>
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> On May 23, 2014, at 11:30 AM, Tucker Goodwin <tuckman8822 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> Yes, Mr. Hansen I can wait.
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>
> I agree with you that there is more opportunity for things to happen.
> However, no matter what the law is your always going to have bad
> people doing bad things. So, why do the good people of Moscow have to
> suffer because of a small group of not so good people of Moscow?
>
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> On Friday, May 23, 2014 11:21 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
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> For one thing, Mr. Goodwin . . .
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> Campus security would find it easier to identify the bad guys.  They would
> be the ones WITH THE GUNS.
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>
> Another thing . . .
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> As weapons are allowed on campus, but not allowed in dorms (billeting
> quarters owned and maintained by the university), those students living in
> fraternities and sororitues will find it easier to carry weapons to and
> from campus, as sororities and fraternities are privately owned.
>
>
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> This, also, could open a whole new "bag of worms" in town.  Students
> residing off-campus will also find it easier to carry weapons to and from
> their off-campus residence to and from campus.
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>
> As I said before . . . kinda adds a whole new dimension to Rush Week, huh?
> And how 'bout them jello-shot and other drinking competitions at the
> Champions tavern.  I can hardly wait for their new year's party.  Can you?
>
>
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
>
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
>
>
> Tom Hansen
>
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
>
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
>
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
>
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
>
>
> On May 23, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Tucker Goodwin <tuckman8822 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> Well Mr. Hansen, person that is a good citizen and abides by the law will
> more then likely fallow the rules and laws that are in place. Here is a
> question for you, if the law was the other way and you could not have a
> hand gun on campus, what is going to stop the person from coming on campus
> to commit suicide and kill people. NOTHING!!!!!!
>
>
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> On Friday, May 23, 2014 9:06 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
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> Mr. Rumelhart -
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> I don't dance.  I suggest you find another partner.
>
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>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
>
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
>
>
> Tom Hansen
>
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
>
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
>
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
>
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
>
>
> On May 23, 2014, at 8:46 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Um... no?
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> I thought I was suggesting that the militarization of campus security was
> not the correct direction to take on this issue.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
> *From:* Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> *To:* Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2014 8:38 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] After losing in Legislature, Idaho college
> campuses adapting policies to new gun law
>
>
>
> Are you suggesting, Mr. Rumelhart, that, as the new law goes into affect,
> it should be considered acceptable behavior for somebody who expresses a
> desire to commit suicide to bring a handgun on campus, conceivably to kill
> others before taking his/her own life?
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
>
>
> "Moscow Cares"
>
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
>
>
> Tom Hansen
>
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
>
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
>
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
>
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
>
>
> On May 23, 2014, at 8:12 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I believe that's the point I was trying to make.  It can happen now.
> Regardless, is the correct response really to militarize campus security?
> That seems like an awfully statist approach to me.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> *To:* Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2014 7:42 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] After losing in Legislature, Idaho college
> campuses adapting policies to new gun law
>
>
>
> In my opinion, NIC is not "freaking out", since an individual, who was
> "talking about dying and not being afraid to die", was recently arrested on
> campus with a gun.
>
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> http://www.khq.com/story/24685956/man-with-gun-arrested-on-north-idaho-college-campus
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
>
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
>
>
> Tom Hansen
>
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
>
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
>
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
>
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
>
>
> On May 23, 2014, at 6:54 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> In my personal opinion, the University of Idaho appears to be taking a
> rational approach to this while NIC appears to be freaking out about it.
> Bullet proof vests?  Really?  Arming their security personnel?  If a few
> retired police officers and enhanced concealed carry permit holders
> frighten them so much I almost hate to bring up the thought that criminals
> don't necessarily follow the gun laws on campuses and that there might be
> people with guns on campus RIGHT NOW!  Let's hope that the NIC leadership
> doesn't read this.  Tanks are expensive.
>
> Paul
>
> On 05/23/2014 04:24 AM, Tom Hansen wrote:
>
> Courtesy of today's (May 23, 2014) Spokesman-Review.
>
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> After losing in Legislature, Idaho college campuses adapting policies to
> new gun law
>
> Public colleges and universities in Idaho are getting ready to comply with
> a new state law they strongly opposed: allowing concealed weapons to be
> carried on campus.
>
> The law takes effect July 1 and applies to people with an enhanced license
> to carry concealed weapons, along with retired law enforcement officers.
> College leaders universally opposed the law, but pro-gun rights lawmakers
> pushed it through the Legislature this year.
>
> Now college administrators and campus security departments are preparing
> for the new reality: guns in lecture halls, labs, offices, cafeterias –
> everywhere but dormitories and entertainment venues with seating for more
> than 1,000, like stadiums and auditoriums.
>
> “We intend to follow the law. Really we don’t discuss the merits of the
> law. That was done, the law passed. We’re talking about implementation,”
> said Matt Dorschel, executive director of public safety and security at the
> University of Idaho in Moscow.
>
> Higher education leaders are revising campus weapons policies to comply
> with the new law, although bans on openly carrying guns are expected to
> remain in effect.
>
> Some colleges also plan to beef up their security. North Idaho College in
> Coeur d’Alene will provide its security officers with bulletproof vests
> plus training related to concealed weapon laws, and it may expand its
> seven-person security force by one full-time and one part-time position.
>
> NIC also is mulling whether to arm its security workers for the first
> time, said Alex Harris, director of student development.
>
> “I don’t know if we’ll go that direction, but it’s definitely out there
> and we’re considering it,” Harris said.
>
> Another option, he said, is to work with the Coeur d’Alene Police
> Department to station a school resource officer on campus, similar to the
> officers present in middle and high schools.
>
> All of these measures are unforeseen expenses at a time of budget cuts due
> to falling enrollment, Harris said. NIC’s enrollment this year dropped 11
> percent from the previous school year – a trend that corresponds to the
> improving economy.
>
> The vests will cost about $8,000, and arming and training security
> officers would cost $10,000 a year. The new security officers, or a school
> resource officer, would cost about $60,000 a year.
>
> “The budget process this year, without this, has been difficult for the
> campus as a whole,” Harris said. “It does make for some tough decisions.”
>
> The 12,000-student University of Idaho anticipates no significant changes
> for its security force. The Moscow Police Department can respond quickly to
> emergencies on campus, and a university task force implementing the new law
> is not likely to recommend arming campus security, Dorschel said.
>
> “We don’t think that anything about the law would impact our need to have
> other armed responders on campus,” he said.
>
> NIC’s College Senate, which includes faculty, staff and students, approved
> new language for the school’s weapons policy last week. The president’s
> Cabinet is expected to take the changes to the board of trustees Wednesday,
> and the board will vote on the changes by the end of June.
>
> “The policy is the easy part because basically we just have to make sure
> we are abiding by the new state law,” Harris said.
>
> The law allows colleges to continue to prohibit guns in dormitories and
> public entertainment venues with a seating capacity of at least 1,000. At
> NIC, that covers three buildings: the student residence hall, Christianson
> Gymnasium and the Schuler Performing Arts Center in Boswell Hall.
>
> It’s not clear yet if the new law also extends to college facilities off
> campus. For NIC, that includes its Workforce Training Center in Post Falls
> and satellite centers in Sandpoint, Bonners Ferry and Kellogg. NIC is
> awaiting a legal opinion on that.
>
> The UI task force is focused on updating the university policy on weapons,
> such as identifying which buildings would remain off-limits to guns,
> Dorschel said. That includes residence halls for about 2,000 students,
> Memorial Gymnasium, the Kibbie Dome and a ballroom in the student
> union building.
>
> The task force also is looking at whether to provide more places for
> licensed weapons holders to store their guns at times they cannot carry
> them. And the group is exploring whether employees may ask someone if they
> are carrying a concealed weapon.
>
> “We will make it clear that permit holders are not required to disclose
> their status as a concealed carry permit holder to another employee,”
> Dorschel said.
>
> Both colleges will distribute answers to common questions about the new
> law, such as whether one should alert authorities if they see a gun.
>
> “In general, we don’t want people to hesitate or to assume,” Harris said.
> “We’re responsible for the safety of our students and our employees, and if
> that requires us having an uncomfortable conversation with someone who has
> a permit, then we’ll do it.”
>
> The responsibilities of license holders to keep their weapons concealed,
> and whether the law extends to off-campus activities, are other points
> colleges will attempt to address.
>
> “We want to make sure we don’t ignore questions that we get from our
> community about how this works in practice,” Dorschel said.
>
> People have mixed feelings about guns on campus, Harris said. Some believe
> the law will enhance safety because those who are permitted to carry guns
> may be able to respond to a threat, while others worry that more armed
> responders will only complicate the job of police and security officers.
>
> Also, some employees have told the college they may be more inclined to
> request a security officer attend difficult conversations, such as
> terminating an employee or talking with a student who is failing a class,
> he said.
>
> “I think it’s a matter of taking the temperature once this goes into
> effect and we start the fall semester to see what things we need to address
> and how,” Harris said.
>
> --------------------
>
> North Idaho College security officer Kelly Hopkins patrols NIC Beach on
> Wednesday. The college is equipping its security officers with bulletproof
> vests and is considering arming them for the first time – unforeseen
> expenses during falling enrollment and budget cuts.
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> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
>
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
>
>
> Tom Hansen
>
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
>
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
>
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
>
>
> - John Lennon
>
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