[Vision2020] HB 473

Fri Mar 14 08:40:42 PDT 2014

Word for word the exact same bill was introduced in Arizona, and Oklahoma. When are we going to get the picture that the Idaho Legislature is doing the work of ALEC and not the citizens of Idaho. 

At least these meat heads should try actually writing their own legislation. 

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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 05:24:29 -0700
From: Sunil <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
To: vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Cc: "rhayes at frontier.com" <rhayes at frontier.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 93, Issue 133
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Wayne,

Is it the will of the people that the governor and other elected state officials give themselves a raise?

You're describing the way things should be. That's not what's happening in Idaho. 

With campus carry, the enormous weight of the testimony at the Capitol was against the legislation. I am not saying polling on the issue does not exist, but I didn't see any. The legislature's vote did not represent the testimony they heard. That's typical. As with education reform a few years ago, they ignored what people journeyed to tell them.

They know there is little chance of being voted out, no matter what they do.

Sunil

From: bear at moscow.com
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 19:34:38 -0700
To: suehovey at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
CC: rhayes at frontier.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 93, Issue 133

Sue,
For the most part, I agree with you, but who gets to decide what is either right or wrong? In a representative democracy, it is the will of the people that is translated intolegislation by the elected representatives.  If any legislature, not just Idaho's, does not carry out the will of the people, then those people will vote them out of office becausethey no longer represent the people. But until they are voted out of office, they are the representatives of the people and act accordingly. Rightness or wrongness has nothing to do with it.

Wayne

On Mar 13, 2014, at 7:22 PM, Sue Hovey wrote:

And if they get re-elected, it doesn?t mean they did the right thing; it 
only means those who voted agreed with them.  Rightness and wrongness are 
not necessarily a function of elections, as those who get penalized through 
Idaho legislative activity know only too well. 

Sue H

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Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 93, Issue 
133

And the next election, considering that we live in a representative 
democracy, will decide IF the legislature and the governor did the right thing 
or not, or if the people collectively think they are on the right track.
IF you don't like what the elected officials of the State of Idaho do, vote 
them out of office. 

On Mar 13, 2014, at 12:28 PM, rhayes at frontier.com wrote:
As 
  I said, Otter felt he had no choice but to sign the bill. Now though, he is 
  attempting (pretending) to "man up" to his responsibilities. But this is not a 
  true man's courageous stand. It is the stand of a wimp who is, after the fact, 
  trying to play both sides. What a looser. 
Outside of a few gun toting 
  hare-brains who think an appropriate environment to be carrying their popguns 
  are institutions of higher learning, I would hazard that most Idahoans are 
  looking at this development with a critical eye. 

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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 08:13:46 -0700
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Subject: [Vision2020] Idaho House committee passes bill nullifying EPA
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Guns on college campuses (senate Bill 1452), state legislators carrying concealed weapons without permits (Section 18-3302, Idaho Code), military service required of able-bodied citizens in an unorganized state militia (Senate Joint Resolution 103), and now . . . 

Courtesy of today's (March 14, 2014) Spokesman-Review.

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Idaho House committee passes bill nullifying EPA in the state
BOISE ? An Idaho House committee passed a bill Thursday to attempt to nullify the federal Environmental Protection Agency in the state, though the state attorney general says the measure is unconstitutional.

?I don?t happen to agree? with the attorney general, said bill sponsor Rep. Paul Shepherd, R-Riggins.

Shepherd proposed the bill because of concerns from suction dredge miners who don?t like a new EPA permit that?s been required for such mining in Idaho since last spring.

Dozens of suction dredge mining enthusiasts testified at a House Resources Committee hearing on Thursday afternoon. Some railed against ?environmental fruitcakes? and called the agency ?tyrannical.?

The bill, HB 473, is now headed to the full Idaho House for debate, though its ultimate fate is uncertain. It declares the EPA?s regulation authority ?null and void and of no force and effect in this state.?

Shepherd, a fifth-term lawmaker who seldom proposes legislation, has vehemently championed the bill. ?I say to the attorney general, even though he?s a lawyer and I?m not, that I?m right ? because the laymen wrote the Constitution,? he said after the committee meeting.

Shepherd introduced his bill in early February, pushing it more than a month until it moved from the House State Affairs Committee to the House Resources Committee, where Chairman Lawerence Denney, R-Midvale, agreed to schedule a hearing.

Shepherd noted that it?s late in the session ? lawmakers are hoping to finish next week. ?We?re lucky to even have this hearing,? he said. ?I can?t tell you what?s going to happen now.?

No one testified against the bill, but 76 people signed in at the committee hearing in support. After dozens testified, the committee approved the measure on a voice vote with no discussion.

Shepherd said the EPA shouldn?t be requiring the same permit for dredge miners as for those who discharge pollutants into waterways, because the dredgers just put the same sand and gravel back into the water that they took out.

Jim Werntz, Idaho director for the EPA, said the agency chose to try to regulate suction dredge mining in Idaho rather than just shut it down, as happened in California and Oregon. More than 80 of the new permits, good for five years, have been issued. But, he said, ?Where there were species issues or protected waters or wild and scenic waters, those waters were protected and closed.?

That included popular areas along the main and lower Salmon River near Riggins, where critical habitat for salmon and steelhead prompted closures to dredging.

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