[Vision2020] Otter Signs Ag-Gag Bill

Saundra Lund v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm
Sat Mar 1 11:32:02 PST 2014

Scott, you seem to be terribly confused.  Idaho's ag gag law has nothing to
do with privacy rights and everything to do with property rights, so you're
trying to compare apples & oranges.  Nice try, though  :)


A more correct analogy would be that ag gag - and other anti-whistleblowing
-- laws elevate property rights above the First Amendment, but I don't
suppose you'd like that more correct analogy.


Just for the sake of consistency, please confirm that you yourself object to
whistleblower videos, photos, etc. of:  abuses, torture, and other unlawful
behavior like those perpetrated at Abu Ghraib & Gitmo; documenting unsafe &
illegal working conditions (like those documented by ag workers); unsafe &
illegal environmental conditions on public & private lands like spills,
radiation leaks, water & air contamination and the like; exposing abuses by
those in authority; etc.


And, just for the sake of consistency, please confirm that you yourself
would have wanted Upton Sinclair prosecuted for writing The Jungle.


And, just for the sake of consistency, please confirm that you yourself
object to the double standard created by employers video taping,
photographing, recording, etc. employees on the job, customers, and others
while prohibiting employees, customers, and others from doing the same.


Just for the sake of consistency, please confirm that you yourself object to
the use of nanny cams in homes, day cares, schools, health care facilities,
state & private mental health facilities, boot camp-type programs, "homes
for the retarded," etc. to expose abuses against those who cannot protect


Finally, just for the sake of consistency, please confirm that you yourself
reject that investigative journalism is a necessary part of keeping business
and government honest.


To answer your question, though, if I owned a business and my employees
witnessed harmful illegal behavior I was too stupid to notice myself or just
didn't care about, I would have no objection to individuals documenting and
reporting those illegal activities.  Absolutely none.


And, if I had a nanny in my home who thought he/she was  witnessing abuse or
neglect my children . . . or a pet sitter who thought he/she was witnessing
abuse of my non-human family members . . . I would have no objections to
said person documenting their concerns with videos, photos, etc. and
providing same to the authorities for investigation.  Absolutely none.


I look forward to your clarifications!



Saundra Lund

Moscow, ID


It's a matter of taking the side if the weak against the strong, something
the best people have always done.

~ Harriet Beecher Stowe





From: Scott Dredge [mailto:scooterd408 at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 10:25 AM
To: Saundra Lund; viz
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Otter Signs Ag-Gag Bill


Wow!  It seems like privacy is a double edged sword, isn't it?  You and Tom
recently expressed your vehement outrage about how wrong and unethical it
was for the NSA to be scanning metadata and for companies of so-called
'free' services (email accounts, search engines, etc.) to be recording your
activity and scanning those records for information.  And now unsurprisingly
you've flipped-flopped in favor of surreptitious video taping.  Just for the
sake of consistency, please confirm that you yourself have absolutely no
issue with being video taped against your knowledge on your own property and
in your own home in order to ensure the you are not inflicting cruelty on
<insert any living thing>.

For the record, I find animal cruelty to be reprehensible and I'm in favor
of investigative efforts by anyone that roots out wrongdoing.


> From: v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm <mailto:v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm> 
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com> 
> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 19:50:32 -0800
> Subject: [Vision2020] Otter Signs Ag-Gag Bill
> Just when I think Idaho can't possibly slide any further into GOP
> I'm proved wrong:
> airy-247886431.html
> This is beyond disgusting -- although not surprising -- that in Idaho,
> a whistleblower is a bigger crime than tormenting and torturing sentient
> beings. And if you think this kind of despicable treatment of "farm"
> animals is rare in Idaho, you couldn't be more wrong. And, if you think
> this kind of abuse doesn't happen right here in Latah County, you're
> in la-la land.
> Good job, Otter & you damn GOP lunatics. We'll now make it a point to make
> absolutely certain none of the meat or dairy products we purchase come
> Idaho animals since you've decided to AGAIN condone animal abuse to
> agribuisness. The Idaho GOP has just done perhaps one of the smartest
> things possible to kill sustainability because the little guys will pay a
> bigger price than the factory farms when people like me stop buying animal
> product in a state that values the almighty dollar over protecting farm
> animals from rampant abuse. It's too bad those invested in sustainability
> didn't do a better job of speaking out against the ag-gag bill -- I was
> quite disappointed that while there has been some effective advocacy
> GMOs, for raw milk, and in other issues, there seemed to be very little
> any) in-state organized opposition to the ag-gag bill. At least, according
> to the news articles I read. Pity.
> Saundra Lund
> Moscow, ID
> I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to
> protection by man from cruelty of man.
> ~ Mahatma Ghandi
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