[Vision2020] Fifty years ago today (January 8, 1964)
Kai Eiselein
fotopro63 at hotmail.com
Thu Jan 9 13:17:15 PST 2014
The fact that tipped employees can be paid less is nothing new, nor is it confined to Idaho, Tom.
My second job out of high school was as a waiter and I made something like $1.25/hr plus tips. I averaged about $75 a day in tips... in 1982, in the poorest county in Arizona. When I was promoted into a management position, I actually made LESS than I did as a waiter, $1,400/mo vs about $1,700.
We had an older lady, nicknamed Granny, who had waited tables for most of her adult life, and she was upset if she didn't pull in at least $150/day.
The thing I see now, is that servers "expect" good tips regardless of whether their service merits it or not. I busted my ass to make tips, and was usually rewarded.
I tip well for those who provide good service, a $23 tip on an $77 ticket in NY last week, for example. On the other hand, I won't stiff a server, but I will leave as little as 50 cents to send a message that their service sucked. I've left a lot of those here in Moscow.
You want my money? Earn it.
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> From: thansen at moscow.com
> To: ngier006 at gmail.com; godshatter at yahoo.com
> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 12:41:47 -0800
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fifty years ago today (January 8, 1964)
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> Speaking of Idaho and minimum wage . . .
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> Courtesy of the Idaho Department of Labor at:
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> http://labor.idaho.gov/pdf/wagehour.pdf
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> “MINIMUM WAGE
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> Unless specifically exempt, all employees subject to the provisions of
> the Idaho Minimum Wage Law must be paid at least $7.25 per hour
> effective July 24, 2009. The federal minimum wage increased to $7.25
> per hour effective the same date.
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> A “TIPPED EMPLOYEE” means any employee engaged in an occupation in
> which the employee customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a
> month in tips.
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> To determine the wage of tipped employees, an employee’s tips combined
> with the employer’s cash wage must equal the minimum hourly wage. If it
> doesn’t, the employer must make up the difference. It is the employer’s
> burden to demonstrate the amount of tips actually received by the
> employee.
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> Any portion of tips paid to an employee, which is shared with other
> employees under a tip pooling or similar arrangement, shall not be
> deemed, for the purpose of this section, to be tips actually received
> by the employee; therefore, only the portion of tips actually retained
> by the employee may be counted toward the tip credit.
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> The minimum tipped wage in Idaho is $3.35 per hour effective July 24, 2007.
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> It is important to note that the Idaho Minimum Wage Law applies to all
> Idaho employers unless they meet the specific exemptions under Idaho
> Code §44-1504.
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> Even though businesses come under the exemptions for paying minimum
> wage by meeting the dollar volume test of the Fair Labor Standards Act,
> they are still subject to the provisions of the Idaho Minimum Wage Law.
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> New employees under 20 years of age may be paid $4.25 per hour during
> their first 90 consecutive calendar days of employment with an
> employer.”
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> Title 44, Chapter 15, Section 1504
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> http://legislature.idaho.gov/idstat/Title44/T44CH15SECT44-1504.htm
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> Yep. That’s right. Idaho has made it legal to pay “tipped employees”
> less than minimum wage.
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> Now, imagine being a single-parent-waitress in Idaho.
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> What can I say, but . . .
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> Esto perpetua, V-Peeps.
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> Tom Hansen
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> Moscow, Idaho
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> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Nicholas Gier
> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 11:58 AM
> To: Paul Rumelhart
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fifty years ago today (January 8, 1964)
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> Hi Paul,
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> This a cute rhetorical trick used by conservatives, but I will trump
> you: Let's raise the minimum wage to $1 million an hour.
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> Of course all proposals, including the one that will probably even pass
> in Idaho (I recommend that you sign the petition, Paul), call for a
> gradual increases pegged to inflation.
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> As we have seen from history, the free market does not (no surprise
> here) solve all problems. The government had to intervene to make it
> possible for workers to bargaining collectively, so that they did not
> have to blow up their workplaces in desperation. There were no
> incentives for employers to bargain in good faith without "enabling"
> legislation. Likewise with wages. The market will keep them as low as
> employers desire with dire consequences for workers and society as a
> whole.
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> Paul, can you tell me why the economies of Australia and Brazil are
> doing so well if increasing the minimum wage is so destructive? I
> always like to offer empirical evidence for the theories I prefer.
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> Nick
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> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Paul Rumelhart
> <godshatter at yahoo.com<mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>> wrote:
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> I have no idea why Rosauers decided to build their new store in WA
> instead of ID. I'm not privy to that kind of information. Why did
> they?
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> I'm not trying to shove a point down people's throats or get in a quick
> zinger. I'm trying to have a discussion. Whenever anyone brings up
> raising the minimum wage, I'm reminded that I'm distrustful of
> government intrusions into the free markets. It also makes me wonder
> where they expect small businesses to get the money for the wage and
> resulting benefit increases. It also makes me wonder what sort of
> equation they use to determine that $9.32 for example is the
> appropriate value to raise them to. I also start thinking about
> reasons people might not be paying that higher wage before the raise
> happens, and I don't just assume "greed" and "GOP is evil" as the
> answer.
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> Paul
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> ________________________________
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> From: Nicholas Gier <ngier006 at gmail.com<mailto:ngier006 at gmail.com>>
> To: Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com<mailto:moscowcares at moscow.com>>
> Cc: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com<mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>>;
> Donovan Arnold
> <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com<mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>>;
> "fotopro63 at hotmail.com<mailto:fotopro63 at hotmail.com>"
> <fotopro63 at hotmail.com<mailto:fotopro63 at hotmail.com>>;
> "vision2020 at moscow com"
> <vision2020 at moscow.com<mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>>
> Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2014 10:11 AM
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> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fifty years ago today (January 8, 1964)
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> Tom: you forgot one thing. These people will pay more taxes.
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> Paul: you can theorize all you want. but the facts are in from
> Australia ($16/hour), Brazil (two huge increases in the minimum wage),
> and now our neighboring state. Otter just boasted about Idaho's GDP
> growth, but it's even better in good ole lefty WA.
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> Recently, Rosauer's had a choice to build a new store in Newport, WA.
> They had a choice between the WA side and the ID side. Why did they
> choose the WA side, Paul?
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> Yours for worker's rights and against the theft of their productivity,
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> Nick
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> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Moscow Cares
> <moscowcares at moscow.com<mailto:moscowcares at moscow.com>> wrote:
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> Paul Rumelhart inquires:
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> "If our government mandates an increase in wages, won't most businesses
> in this tough economy who have already mapped out just how much they
> can afford to spend on salaries (and benefits) simply lay some people
> off?"
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> This certainly explains the state of Washington's (the state with the
> highest minimum wage at $9.32/hour) unemployment rate of 6.8% (rankin'
> in at 24th among the Nifty Fifty).
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> And it most certainly explains why Hawkins Companies wants to build a
> mall (employing many many people) just west of the Washington/Idaho
> state-line.
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> Although my degree is in Information Systems, and not related to
> economics, let me try to explain this . . .
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> - If minimum wage is increased, the more money the people collecting
> these wages will have.
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> - If people have more money, they tend to spend more money.
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> - If people soend more money, more products are sold.
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> - If more products are sold, demand for those products goes up.
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> - If demand for products goes up, more of those products must be
> manufactured and stocked.
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> - If more products are manufactured and stocked, more people must be
> employed to manufacture, stock, and sell these products.
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> Am I going too fast for you, Mr. Rumelhart?
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> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
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> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
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> http://www.MoscowCares.com<http://www.moscowcares.com/>
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> Tom Hansen
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> Moscow, Idaho
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> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
>
> But first you must learn to smile as you kill,
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> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
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> - John Lennon
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> On Jan 9, 2014, at 9:38 AM, Paul Rumelhart
> <godshatter at yahoo.com<mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> If our government mandates an increase in wages, won't most businesses
> in this tough economy who have already mapped out just how much they
> can afford to spend on salaries (and benefits) simply lay some people
> off? The only other option is to raise prices, but people selling
> widgets are already working to hit that optimal price for their product
> based on a number of factors. Having to raise price to offset salaries
> could upset the apple cart. Same thing if they have to scale back
> because they can't afford to pay everyone at the new wage level.
>
> I'm curious whether that 10 to 25 percent number is really what we see
> locally.
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> Paul
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> ________________________________
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> From: Donovan Arnold
> <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com<mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>>
> To: "fotopro63 at hotmail.com<mailto:fotopro63 at hotmail.com>"
> <fotopro63 at hotmail.com<mailto:fotopro63 at hotmail.com>>;
> "ngier006 at gmail.com<mailto:ngier006 at gmail.com>"
> <ngier006 at gmail.com<mailto:ngier006 at gmail.com>>
> Cc: "vision2020 at moscow com"
> <vision2020 at moscow.com<mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>>
> Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2014 7:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fifty years ago today (January 8, 1964)
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> The welfare state is bloated. It is bloated because wages are so low
> that a family of two working adults cannot pay their basic living
> expenses. If we raised wages less people would be on goverment
> assistance and more would be paying taxes instead. The idea that
> raising wages only causes inflation is an outdated one. This was when
> labor was 50 to 90 percent of a business's expenses. Today, because of
> automation and moving of jobs overseas, labor is only 10 to 25 percent
> of a business's expense. Further, the bottom 90 percent of wage earners
> make up an even smaller percentage of a business's expenses. Therefore,
> raising wages even as much as 50 percent would only cause a 5 percent
> increase in prices cover loses by employers. A 50 percent pay raise for
> 5 percent inflation would be a good increase in quality of life.
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> Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android
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> ________________________________
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> From: Nicholas Gier <ngier006 at gmail.com<mailto:ngier006 at gmail.com>>;
> To: Kai Eiselein <fotopro63 at hotmail.com<mailto:fotopro63 at hotmail.com>>;
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com<mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
> <vision2020 at moscow.com<mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>>;
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fifty years ago today (January 8, 1964)
> Sent: Thu, Jan 9, 2014 7:44:59 AM
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> The question to ask about American poverty is where would we be today
> without Medicare, Medicaid, and Food Stamps? We are now at the bottom
> of most industrialized nations in general health (worst in preventable
> deaths), poverty, child health, STDs, infant mortality, adult life
> spans, etc., etc. Without these programs we would have dropped to into
> Third World conditions.
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> Kai: if it is the bloated welfare state's fault, why is it that the
> Nordic countries (see attached) with the most generous benefits and
> highest taxes are at the top of of all these quality of life
> indicators? As I have been saying for years, economic facts defeat the
> GOP on every issue.
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> Brazil has raised its minimum wage twice in huge increments, and its
> poverty rate has dropped dramatically and its economy keeps humming
> along. If the U.S. federal minimum wage had kept pace with inflation,
> we would have won the war on poverty with that effort alone. Adjusted
> for inflation wages have been flat since Ronnie Reagan, while the
> fruits of our labor has gone to the rich and the corporations.
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> The minimum wage in Australia is $16/hour and it was one of the only
> countries that flew through the Great Recession with flying colors.
> They were government by the lefty Labor Party the whole time.
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> The facts support the Middle Way between Communism and Libertarianism,
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> Nick
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> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Kai Eiselein
> <fotopro63 at hotmail.com<mailto:fotopro63 at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> That's pretty much what the graph in USA Today showed this morning.
> They had an article about it in yesterday and today's edition. Saw it
> while eating breakfast at a La Quinta the past two mornings.
> If I had to venture a guess for why it has failed, it would be that too
> much money goes to bloated bureaucracies and not enough gets to the
> actual programs.
> Our government can be counted on for a few things:
> Lies
> Spying on citizens
> F---king up just about everything it tries to manage.
>
> ________________________________
> > From: scooterd408 at hotmail.com<mailto:scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
> > To: thansen at moscow.com<mailto:thansen at moscow.com>;
> vision2020 at moscow.com<mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 13:51:55 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fifty years ago today (January 8, 1964)
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> >
> > War on Poverty at 50 -- despite trillions spent, poverty won
> > 'Over, the last 50 years, the government spent more than $16 trillion
> > to fight poverty.
> > Yet today, 15 percent of Americans still live in poverty. That’s
> > scarcely better than the 19 percent living in poverty at the time of
> > Johnson’s speech. Nearly 22 percent of children live in poverty
> > today. In 1964, it was 23 percent.'
> >
> >
> http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/01/08/war-on-poverty-at-50-despite-trillions-spent-poverty-won/
> >
> > I don't have the time to fact check, but the story is from Fox News
> > which is the only source of news trusted by conservatives.
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: thansen at moscow.com<mailto:thansen at moscow.com>
> > Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 04:48:26 -0800
> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com<mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Subject: [Vision2020] Fifty years ago today (January 8, 1964)
> >
> >
> > "This administration today, here and now, declares unconditional war on
> > poverty in America. I urge this Congress and all Americans to join with
> > me in that effort.
> >
> > It will not be a short or easy struggle, no single weapon or strategy
> > will suffice, but we shall not rest until that war is won. The richest
> > Nation on earth can afford to win it. We cannot afford to lose it. One
> > thousand dollars invested in salvaging an unemployable youth today can
> > return $40,000 or more in his lifetime.
> >
> > Poverty is a national problem, requiring improved national organization
> > and support. But this attack, to be effective, must also be organized
> > at the State and the local level and must be supported and directed by
> > State and local efforts.
> >
> > For the war against poverty will not be won here in Washington. It must
> > be won in the field, in every private home, in every public office,
> > from the courthouse to the White House.
> >
> > The program I shall propose will emphasize this cooperative approach to
> > help that one-fifth of all American families with incomes too small to
> > even meet their basic needs.
> >
> > Our chief weapons in a more pinpointed attack will be better schools,
> > and better health, and better homes, and better training, and better
> > job opportunities to help more Americans, especially young Americans,
> > escape from squalor and misery and unemployment rolls where other
> > citizens help to carry them.
> >
> > Very often a lack of jobs and money is not the cause of poverty, but
> > the symptom. The cause may lie deeper in our failure to give our fellow
> > citizens a fair chance to develop their own capacities, in a lack of
> > education and training, in a lack of medical care and housing, in a
> > lack of decent communities in which to live and bring up their
> > children.
> >
> > But whatever the cause, our joint Federal-local effort must pursue
> > poverty, pursue it wherever it exists--in city slums and small towns,
> > in sharecropper shacks or in migrant worker camps, on Indian
> > Reservations, among whites as well as Negroes, among the young as well
> > as the aged, in the boom towns and in the depressed areas.
> >
> > Our aim is not only to relieve the symptom of poverty, but to cure it
> > and, above all, to prevent it. No single piece of legislation, however,
> > is going to suffice.
> >
> > We will launch a special effort in the chronically distressed areas of
> > Appalachia.
> >
> > We must expand our small but our successful area redevelopment program.
> >
> > We must enact youth employment legislation to put jobless, aimless,
> > hopeless youngsters to work on useful projects.
> >
> > We must distribute more food to the needy through a broader food stamp
> > program.
> >
> > We must create a National Service Corps to help the economically
> > handicapped of our own country as the Peace Corps now helps those
> > abroad.
> >
> > We must modernize our unemployment insurance and establish a high-level
> > commission on automation. If we have the brain power to invent these
> > machines, we have the brain power to make certain that they are a boon
> > and not a bane to humanity.
> >
> > We must extend the coverage of our minimum wage laws to more than 2
> > million workers now lacking this basic protection of purchasing power.
> >
> > We must, by including special school aid funds as part of our education
> > program, improve the quality of teaching, training, and counseling in
> > our hardest hit areas."
> >
> > - President Lyndon Johnson in his State of the Union Address (January
> > 8, 1964)
> >
> > http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/archives.hom/speeches.hom/640108.asp
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> > Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
> >
> > "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
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> >
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> >
> > "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
> > But first you must learn to smile as you kill,
> > If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
> >
> > - John Lennon
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