[Vision2020] Idaho Senate Bill 1254 and Idaho's city police chiefs

Ron Force rforce2003 at yahoo.com
Fri Feb 21 15:17:53 PST 2014


Where can they keep them? At the police station:

 http://www.uidaho.edu/newsevents/item?name=policy-note-university-firearms-storage-service

Catch 22. They won't store ammunition, and ammunition can't be kept in your dorm room. So, if you want to shoot your room mate during an argument, you have to go to the police substation, retrieve your pistol, then to Tri-State for the required bullets.

Ron Force 
Moscow Idaho USA



On Thursday, February 20, 2014 6:00 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
 
Simple question . . .
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>Since (as suggested by almost everybody that supports Senate Bill 1254) providing a means of self-defense and safety to college students is the primary concern related to allowing guns on public college campuses . . .
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>Why does Senate Bill 1254 NOT allow guns (concealed or otherwise) in dorms or other student living quarters?
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>Is Senate Bill 1254 saying (to students that reside on campus) that you may carry weapons all over campus.  You jus' can't take those weapons to your dorm room.  If students-with-guns are not allowed to secure these weapons in their dorm rooms . . . where then?
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>Perhaps the Sigma Alpha Epsilon arms room?
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>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
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>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>http://www.MoscowCares.com
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>Tom Hansen
>Moscow, Idaho
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>"There's room at the top they are telling you still.
>But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
>If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
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>- John Lennon
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>On Feb 20, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>So I have to worry about blue-haired old ladies and short smart-looking gents in suits hunting me with AR-15s now.  I wish they would stop trying to take away my right to defend myself.  What's next?  Armed Wiccans?  The local PTA with pitchforks?
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>> From: Ron Force <rforce2003 at yahoo.com>
>>To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>; Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>; Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> 
>>Cc: viz <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
>>Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 12:39 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Idaho Senate Bill 1254 and Idaho's city	police	chiefs
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>>He's Executive Vice President of the Family Research council, one of the leaders of the Religious Right.
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>>Ron Force 
>>Moscow Idaho USA
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>>On Thursday, February 20, 2014 12:11 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>Do we visit the same Internet?  People say stupid things on the one I go to all the time.
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>>> From: Ron Force <rforce2003 at yahoo.com>
>>>To: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>; Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> 
>>>Cc: viz <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
>>>Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 11:45 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Idaho Senate Bill 1254 and Idaho's city	police	chiefs
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>>>The Lord is a warrior and in  Revelation  19 is says when he comes back, he's coming back as what? A warrior. A might warrior leading a mighty army, riding a white horse with a blood-stained white robe ... I believe that blood on that robe is the blood of his enemies 'cause he's coming back as a warrior carrying a sword.
>>>And I believe now - I've checked this out - I believe that sword he'll be carrying when he comes back is an AR-15.
>>>Now I want you to think about this: where did the Second Amendment come from? ... From the Founding Fathers, it's in the  Constitution . Well, yeah, I know that. But where did the whole concept come from? It came from Jesus when he said to his disciples 'now, if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.'
>>>I know, everybody says that was a metaphor. IT WAS NOT A METAPHOR!... And the sword today is an AR-15, so if you don't have one, go get one. You're supposed to have one. It's biblical.
>>>Retired Lt. Gen. William G. "Jerry" Boykin (from Gawker)
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>>>Ron Force 
>>>Moscow Idaho USA
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>>>On Thursday, February 20, 2014 3:03 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
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>>>How soon we forget . . .
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>>>>http://www.moscowcares.com/tribblesboe
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>>>>The Idaho courts shot it down in 2011.
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>>>>But, back then the guns-on-campus movement didn't have the push-and-pull support of the NRA and its gun-manufacturer base.  Now it does.
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>>>>This will open a whole new sales market for the gun manufacturers of Idaho, as well as those gun manufacturers who will find it extremely profitable to expand to Idaho, . . . college students.
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>>>>Imagine the marketing slogans . . .
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>>>>"For a Bigger . . . Badder . . . Better BANG!"
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>>>>"Wrap your fingers around our triggers."
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>>>>Might I suggest an old slogan to the parents of these college students, offered by Country Joe and the Fish back in the 60s.
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>>>>"Be the first one on your block to have your boy come home in a box."
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>>>>'Nuff said.
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>>>>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
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>>>>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>>>>http://www.MoscowCares.com
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>>>>Tom Hansen
>>>>Moscow, Idaho
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>>>>"There's room at the top they are telling you still.
>>>>But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
>>>>If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
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>>>>- John Lennon
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>>>>On Feb 20, 2014, at 1:42 AM, Scott
 Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>College presidents and police chiefs are against this bill Paul.  IMO, there was a ban in place and if it's unconstitutional then it should be challenged in court and struck down as such.  If the ban can withstand a constitutional challenge, then that should satisfy everyone including you if you're really the champion of the constitution as you claim to be.
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>>>>>What's puzzling to me, and admittedly I haven't looked deeply into this issue, is why the Idaho legislature is pursing this angle at all?  It doesn't seem as they're being lobbied by college students for this bill.  It seems to me that they're just poking their fingers in the eyes of the liberal elites in higher education for no good reason.
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>>>>>The Idaho Senate approve the bill and now it moves on to the House:
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>>>>>http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2014/feb/19/idaho-senate-oks-bill-to-allow-guns-on-cus/
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>>>>>Once it passes it'll be interesting to see what the next move is for the universities.  I'd guess that they could still have a policy against guns on campus and that anyone carrying could face expulsion.  I'd also guess that policy in itself would not be determined to be constitutional (or not) unless it was enforced upon someone and that someone filed a lawsuit against the university.
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>>>>>Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 20:27:46 -0800
>>>>>From: godshatter at yahoo.com
>>>>>To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Idaho Senate Bill 1254 and Idaho's city police	chiefs
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>>>>>I'm not saying that it should be unconditional, just that there
      should be a really good reason to go against the wording of the
      amendment in this way.  It's the same argument about the first
      amendment and yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.
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>>>>>I guess I'm arguing that we need to heed the Constitution more. 
      Amendments 1, 2, 4, and 5 seem to be under heavy fire, so to
      speak, and we (in my opinion) need to start looking to the spirit
      of the text and not just the letter of it.
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>>>>>We have "free speech zones", attempted gun bans, the
      balls-to-the-wall hoovering of all of our online data, and
      assassination-by-drone programs.  It's got to stop somewhere, and
      holding to the Constitution seems to me to be vital if we're going
      to turn this around.  Without the Constitution, there is no nation
      anymore.  Just a bunch of thugs wielding power.  It may already be
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>>>>>On 02/18/2014 08:17 PM, Sunil wrote:
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>>>>>>If the Constitutional amendment specifically forbids such a
        thing, that prohibition must be absolute.
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>>>>>>You have made statements along this line before. I continue to
        wonder why. 
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>>>>>>Why is the right to bear arms unconditional? Are you really
        saying the state shall not restrict that right in any way? Is
        this your opinion or is it factually correct?
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>>>>>>Sunil
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>>>>>>Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 13:04:33 -0800
>>>>>>From: godshatter at yahoo.com
>>>>>>To: dickow at turbonet.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Idaho Senate Bill 1254 and Idaho's
          city police chiefs
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>>>>>>I would like to make a couple of points about this bill.
>>>>>>First, I have no doubt that police chiefs all across the country would love it if everyone were unarmed and they had an effective monopoly on the use of force. That doesn't mean that it's best for you and I. 
>>>>>>Second, the question shouldn't be "should we allow guns on campus", it should be "is the situation on campus dire enough that we should infringe upon the right to bear arms despite their being a Constitutional amendment specifically forbidding such a thing"?
>>>>>>I haven't seen any arguments yet convincing me of that. Just a bunch of frat boy jokes. 
>>>>>>Paul 
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>>>>>> From:  Robert Dickow <dickow at turbonet.com>; 
>>>>>>To:  'Moscow Vision 2020' <vision2020 at moscow.com>; 
>>>>>>Subject:  Re: [Vision2020] Idaho Senate Bill 1254 and Idaho's city police chiefs 
>>>>>>Sent:  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 7:40:23 PM 
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>>>>>>Concerning SB 1254, I think we should try the economic argument against adoption. Just tell your congresspersons that the State of Idaho cannot afford the huge costs associated with the passage of this bill. It could cost millions to supply all the teachers, professors, staffers and campus visitors with the Kevlar vests that we will demand having in order to protect ourselves.
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>>>>>>Bob Dickow, troublemaker
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>>>>>>Masterson: ‘Why a police leader feels compelled to take his message directly to the people’
>>>>>>Boise Police Chief Mike Masterson has sent out a guest opinion, entitled, “Why a police leader feels compelled to take his message directly to the people,” urging Idaho citizens to contact their legislators about SB 1254, the bill to allow guns on Idaho's public college campuses, where they're now banned. Masterson says he and three other police chiefs were blocked from <snip>… 
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