[Vision2020] FW: Solidarity with Ferguson

[Gary Crabtree]

When do we get an update on the mass walk-out at the U of I and the massive
rally that was to be held in Spokane?
The various local media sources seem to be negligent in their coverage of
these events.

g


On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com>
wrote:

> Earth to Scott Dredge . . .
>
> A person can be calm, but be extremely upset.  It's called "self-control".
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
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>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
> On Aug 25, 2014, at 8:09 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> She said 'I was very calm' which is tantamount saying 'I [felt] very
> calm'.  Oh...kayyy?
>
> Beyond that, is there a point to this story?  Old woman knowingly breaks
> law and is arrested.  It's not really ground breaking news.  Are the police
> supposed to be mind readers that she's a holocaust survivor and then give
> her a a free pass?
>
> ------------------------------
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] FW: Solidarity with Ferguson
> From: thansen at moscow.com
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 18:23:57 -0700
> CC: v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm; vision2020 at moscow.com
> To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com
>
> That does not explain how Hedy Epstein felt or what she was thinking.
>
> It merely explains WHAT SHE AND THE POLICE DID, ok?
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
> On Aug 25, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Tom writes:
> <I can hardly imagine how Hedy Epstein felt, and what she was thinking,
> when she was arrested.>
>
> She offers up detailed a detailed first hand account into how she felt.
> [Hedy Epstein] said. “This time I was very calm. The police told us to move
> and we refused. So they arrested us.”  “They have a job to do and they
> did what they had to do,” she said. “They handcuffed us, drove us to the
> station, and charged us with failure to disperse.”
>
> ------------------------------
> From: moscowcares at moscow.com
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 13:14:55 -0700
> To: v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] FW: Solidarity with Ferguson
>
> I can hardly imagine how Hedy Epstein felt, and what she was thinking,
> when she was arrested.
>
> Courtesy of the New York Daily News at:
>
>
> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/holocaust-survivor-90-arrested-protest-st-louis-article-1.1909363
>
> --------------------------------------
>
> Holocaust survivor, 90, is arrested for protesting in St. Louis in support
> of Michael BrownHedy Epstein, a German Jew who fled to England as a child
> before World War II started, has been protesting against injustice since
> she was a teen. She’s been arrested before for protesting, and was cuffed
> again Monday in downtown St. Louis during a rally against Missouri Gov. Jay
> Nixon’s decision to send the National Guard into Ferguson, Mo. ‘I didn't
> think I would still be doing this when I was 90,” she said. “But we have to
> stand up for what’s right.'
>
> She may not be the loudest protester, but 90-year-old Hedy Epstein is
> likely the oldest person demanding justice for Michael Brown.
>
> And she has the bruises on her arm to prove it.
>
> “The police officers weren’t violent or anything like that, but they put
> the handcuffs on me pretty tight,” the St. Louis grandmother told The Daily
> News on Tuesday — a day after she was arrested.
>
> “I have been arrested before,” she said. “The bruises will go away.”
>
> A German Jew who fled to England as a child before World War II erupted —
> and whose parents and other relatives were murdered by the Nazis at the
> Auschwitz death camp — Epstein is a longtime political activist.
>
> Most recently, Epstein has taken part in numerous protests against the
> Israeli bombing of Palestinians in Gaza.
>
> On Monday, Epstein said she was in downtown St. Louis to protest Missouri
> Gov. Jay Nixon’s decision to send the National Guard into Ferguson, Mo.
>
> “We were hoping to get him to de-escalate the violence,” said Epstein. “We
> believe they are inciting the peaceful demonstrators to become violent.”
>
> Epstein said she “hadn’t given a thought to being arrested.”
>
> But just before the protest march kicked off, Epstein said “somebody
> announced there would be arrests and they asked me if I was willing to take
> that risk.”
>
> “I said yes,” she said. “It was very spontaneous.”
>
> Epstein said they marched over to a government building and began
> demanding to speak with Nixon. She said the cops said no and threatened to
> arrest them if they didn’t scram.
>
> “In the past my heart would pound a mile a minute,” she said. “This time I
> was very calm. The police told us to move and we refused. So they arrested
> us.”
>
> Epstein said the officers treated them professionally.
>
> “They have a job to do and they did what they had to do,” she said. “They
> handcuffed us, drove us to the station, and charged us with failure to
> disperse.”
>
> Epstein, who lived in New York when she first emigrated to the U.S. in
> 1948, said she has protested against what she sees as injustice “since I
> was a teenager.”
>
> “I didn't think I would still be doing this when I was 90,” she said. “But
> we have to stand up for what’s right.”
>
> --------------------
>
> Holocaust survivor Hedy Epstein, 90, is arrested on Monday during unrest
> outisde the office of Missouri Gov Jay Nixon in St. Louis.
>
> <hedy-epstein.jpg>
>
> -------------------------------------
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still.
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
> On Aug 25, 2014, at 12:40 PM, "Saundra Lund" <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
> wrote:
>
> Paul wrote:
>
> “While I'm in a condemning mood, I would also like to condemn the people
> involved in the looting that has occurred.”
>
>
>
> Me as well.  Two (or more) wrongs don’t make a right, but again, I think
> there’s a world of difference between a handful of thugs acting badly and
> State agents acting really, really badly.
>
>
>
> And, I’ll just add a bit.  I realize that I’m just as privileged as
> everyone else who was fortunate enough to be born white in this country
> with the protection of the US Constitution.  That said, there is something
> soul-changing -- at least there was for my daughter and me and many, many
> others on our train -- that happens when encountering a militarized police
> presence on domestic soil.  There is something terrifyingly soul-changing
> when one – even in a crowd -- is surrounded and held captive by a
> militarized police presence with assault rifles trained on the crowd,
> bellowed threats for doing nothing wrong, surrounded by big military
> vehicles, and helicopters swirling overhead.
>
>
>
> While watching live coverage of the protests, I was reminded – again –
> that our Constitutional rights don’t matter one bit in the face of
> militarized police forces (and other instances of LE abuse of power).
>
>
>
> And, I was incredibly sad that many of those hundreds and hundreds of
> protestors who did absolutely nothing wrong have now had that soul-changing
> experience.
>
>
>
> Finally, as the survivor of a violent crime, I can tell you that my
> first-person experience that really terrible things do, indeed, happen to
> good people at the hands of criminals pales in comparison to the
> soul-changing experience of being surrounded and held captive by a
> militarized police force.
>
>
>
>
>
> Saundra
>
> Moscow, ID
>
>
>
> The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be
> indifferent to them.   That's the essence of inhumanity.
>
> ~  George Bernard Shaw
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Paul Rumelhart [mailto:paul.rumelhart at gmail.com
> <paul.rumelhart at gmail.com>]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 25, 2014 10:48 AM
> *To:* Saundra Lund
> *Cc:* Moscow Vision 2020
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] FW: Solidarity with Ferguson
>
>
>
> I did not realize that this event was to protest the way the police had
> handled the protests in Ferguson.  I had assumed that the event was to
> protest the killing of Michael Brown, which is what I was talking about
> when I said I didn't have enough information to know whether or not to be
> enraged over this.  That was my mistake.  My apologies for not reading the
> entire message.
>
> I wholeheartedly think the cops in Ferguson went overboard in how they
> handled this entire event, from the first press conferences to the curfews
> to the way they have handled the crowds and journalists.  The way they have
> handled journalists is exceptionally bad and at complete odds with the
> First Amendment.  Even third-world countries are smart enough not to do
> that.
>
> While I'm in a condemning mood, I would also like to condemn the people
> involved in the looting that has occurred.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
> wrote:
>
> Are you saying, then, that the domestic militarization of police in this
> country is OK in some places/situations but not in others?  Did I
> completely misunderstand your previous posts about police militarization?  “I
> really think the militarization of the police is a bad idea.”
>
>
>
> You do understand, don’t you, that with respect to Ferguson, the topic of
> police militarization refers to the LE response to unarmed non-violent
> protestors exercising their Constitutional rights & journalists covering
> the police response and not to Darren Wilson’s shooting of unarmed Mike
> Brown, Jr., right?
>
>
>
> What facts are you waiting for before you decide whether *those* actions
> are OK with you?  Did not scene after scene after scene of LE pointing
> assault rifles at unarmed and non-violent citizens reinforce the position
> you’ve taken about the militarization of police being a bad idea?  Did it
> not concern you that journalists and civilians were ordered to stop filming
> LE response over and over and over again?  Did not the targeted deployment
> of tear gas canisters and concussion grenades at a news crew with no
> protestors nearby concern you?  There’s the now infamous incident of that
> unhinged St. Ann cop who pointed a loaded semi-automatic assault weapon at
> unarmed protestors, some of whom had their hands up, and journalists and
> announced, “I’ll f*cking kill you,” but that’s certainly not the only
> unhinged cop I saw or heard during the protests.
>
>
>
>
>
> Just Curious,
>
> Saundra
>
> Moscow, ID
>
>
>
> Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.
>
> ~ Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Paul Rumelhart [mailto:paul.rumelhart at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 25, 2014 7:51 AM
> *To:* Saundra Lund
> *Cc:* Moscow Vision 2020
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] FW: Solidarity with Ferguson
>
>
>
> Paul's waiting for  more actual facts before he gets enraged over this.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Saundra Lund <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
> wrote:
>
> Glad to see you're sticking to type, Scott, with your predictable denial
> that race has anything to do with anything.  I put that in the same
> category as the idiotic comment you made that felons don't have problems
> finding jobs & housing.  Just plain ignorant and living in some imaginary
> World According to Scott that has no connection to reality.
>
>
>
> For me, there are lots of things that concern me about Ferguson, and yes,
> race is one of the things, although not necessarily with respect to the
> actual killing of Mike Brown Jr.  That's a question I don't think will ever
> be answered.
>
>
>
> But, the fact of the matter -- for me -- is I think anyone who isn't
> concerned when police shoot & kill unarmed people is an idiot.  That
> concern doesn't necessarily mean that the killing was dirty, but to not
> concerned?  Idiotic.  I actually think gun-wielding agents of the State
> have a higher duty to preserve life than do thugs.  Go figure.
>
>
>
> I also think Ferguson gave the whole country -- at least those not living
> under rocks --  a good picture of the real life consequences of
> the militarization of the police.  Paul, I think, has posted on that topic
> a few times, so it's . . . curious to me he didn't bring up the topic with
> such a great real world example.
>
>
>
> There are several other significant concerns, but I really don't see much
> reason to engage in discussion with you since you predictably want to boil
> everything down to "race baiting."
>
>
>
>
>
> Saundra
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 24, 2014, at 01:50 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:
>
> I'd guess they will show up in droves. Race baiting and anti-establishment
> sentiment are effective in mobilizing young people who are more driven by
> peer pressure and emotion in jumping to conclusions rather than rationally
> waiting for all for the facts surrounding this tragic event to emerge and
> coming to an informed opinion.
>
>
>
> As for me, I'll keep an open mind that this could be 'racist cop shoots
> and kills black kid minding his own business', but until I'm convinced
> beyond a reasonable doubt I won't be rendering a verdict.
>
>
>
> -Scott
>
>
>
> On Aug 24, 2014, at 3:12 PM, "Saundra Lund" <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
> wrote:
>
> Here’s hoping our local college students make me proud  J  I’ve given my
> hubby a head’s up to be aware & hopeful that some of his students walk out
> tomorrow morning and to not take it personally  J
>
>
>
> I’m curious:  is anyone here planning on going to Spokane Tuesday to
> participate in the rally?
>
>
>
>
>
> Saundra
>
>
>
> *From:* Amnesty International USA [mailto:alerts at takeaction.amnestyusa.org
> <alerts at takeaction.amnestyusa.org>]
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 24, 2014 9:59 AM
> *To:*
> *Subject:* Solidarity with Ferguson
>
>
>
> [image: template image]
>
> [image: Amnesty International USA Action Alert]
> <http://www.e-activist.com/ea-campaign/broadcast.response.do?ea.url.id=273186&ea.campaigner.email=BAD5ZdktWlKbKzOfDY5p9fmkGi65H1302t8RM2eLScw=&ea_broadcast_target_id=0>
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> [image: template image]
>
>
> *Solidarity with Ferguson, Missouri*
>
> [image: Get Involved]
>
> <http://www.e-activist.com/ea-campaign/broadcast.response.do?ea.url.id=273187&ea.campaigner.email=BAD5ZdktWlKbKzOfDY5p9fmkGi65H1302t8RM2eLScw=&ea_broadcast_target_id=0>
>
> Photo by Scott Olson/Getty Images
> A police officer in Ferguson, Missouri fatally shot unarmed teenager
> Michael Brown on August 9.
>
> This week, the Ferguson community is asking us to take to the streets.
> Dear Saundra & Bill,
>
> On August 9, Mike Brown, an unarmed 18-year old, was shot by a police
> officer in Ferguson, Missouri. It’s moments like this that draw us in, and
> that demand solidarity, because all lives matter and human rights are at
> stake.
>
> You have taken action online. Now, the Ferguson community is asking for us
> to take to the streets:
>
>    - On Monday, August 25, Mike Brown's family is laying him to rest. *Ferguson
>    community members are asking college students to walk out of their classes
>    at 1pm EST/10am PST
>    <http://www.e-activist.com/ea-campaign/broadcast.response.do?ea.url.id=273188&ea.campaigner.email=BAD5ZdktWlKbKzOfDY5p9fmkGi65H1302t8RM2eLScw=&ea_broadcast_target_id=0>
>    and assemble in solidarity with victims and survivors of police brutality.
>    Will you join them?
>    <http://www.e-activist.com/ea-campaign/broadcast.response.do?ea.url.id=273189&ea.campaigner.email=BAD5ZdktWlKbKzOfDY5p9fmkGi65H1302t8RM2eLScw=&ea_broadcast_target_id=0>*
>    - For the rest of the week, people around the world are rallying at
>    U.S. federal buildings and U.S. embassies to *call on the Department
>    of Justice to create policies that respect human rights*. We'll be
>    joining, and we want you to stand with us and with the people of Ferguson
>    in your own communities. *Find a rally here!
>    <http://www.e-activist.com/ea-campaign/broadcast.response.do?ea.url.id=273190&ea.campaigner.email=BAD5ZdktWlKbKzOfDY5p9fmkGi65H1302t8RM2eLScw=&ea_broadcast_target_id=0>*
>
> Since arriving in Ferguson, we have witnessed hundreds of people take to
> the streets daily to demand human rights. We have also seen law enforcement
> use tear gas in the crowd, and arrest protestors. There have been blockades
> on West Florissant Street for days; journalists have been cleared from the
> area, and we’ve been kept from full access to protestors at times.
> Throughout all of this, we’ve been in awe of the power and resilience of
> community organizers on the ground who have refused to have their
> fundamental human rights restricted, and have dedicated themselves to
> sharing Mike Brown’s story and to demanding change.
>
> Now is the time for us to join in raising concerns about race and
> policing, and the impact of militarization on the fundamental right to
> peacefully assemble. Now is the time to bring together your community to
> participate in the movement to bring human rights home.
>
> In Solidarity,
>
> Kalaya'an Mendoza, Senior Organizer
> Noor Mir, Associate Field Organizer
> Amnesty International USA Delegates in Ferguson, MO
>
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