[Vision2020] Bill "The Bully" Lambert

Mon Sep 30 11:47:09 PDT 2013

So Tom 'the trasher' Hansen can smear anyone and everyone.  Well isn't that just horrible.  Just keep in mind that Tom's judge of character is completely and totally warped.  Best to get the full story before jumping to conclusions like Tom routinely does.  I also think the viz would be better served by discussing pros / cons of each candidate's specific positions rather than Tom simply cheerleading his own pet candidates while trashing other candidates based on little more than two word sound bites and out of context quotes.  But apparently that's just me who thinks that, so I expect Tom to continue slinging crap against public officials, those running for office, and others in the community and on v2020 whose opinions and party affiliation don't align with what he thinks is best for everyone else.  And yet I still hope that most others are much more mature and can see right through Tom's foolery.

Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2013 05:57:48 -0700
From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bill "The Bully" Lambert
To: scooterd408 at hotmail.com; donaldrose at cpcinternet.com; v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm; vision2020 at moscow.com

"You'd be giving Bill Lambert a free pass to unleash his virtriol if his political leanings aligned with yours much the same way you give Tom a free pass" --Scott Dredge There is an important distinction here that Mr. Dredge is missing. Tom Hansen isn't running for Mayor. He has done his service to the public. So he is free to express his opinions of individuals within the City of Moscow. A Mayor or candidate for such office should not attack the character or intentionally insult the people s/he wishes to represent, as Mr. Lambert does.  Donovan J. Arnold        From: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
 To: Rosemary Huskey <donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>; 'Saundra Lund' <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>; viz <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
 Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 11:53 PM
 Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bill "The Bully" Lambert

Here is the absolutely not so funny thing Saunra and Rose:

<Words and phrases like “abrasive,” 
“condescending,” “rude,” “talks over people,” “disrespectful,” “doesn’t 
listen,” “doesn’t respect people with differing opinions,” etc., have 
all been descriptors used>

EVERY SINGLE ONE of these words/phrases could be used to describe Tom Hansen and here are only a few of MANY, MANY examples:
RUDE to Wayne: Giving advice to Wayne about 'a message [he] can share with [his] buddies at [his] next circle jerkCRUDE to Gary: 'Note to [Gary]:  Deflate your girlfriend and give your hand a rest'DISRESPECTFUL to Paul: 'I feel confident in saying that I have more time in the chow line than your entire tenure'CONDESCENDING to Sunil: 'Grow up'CONDESCENDING to Donovan: 'You really are struggling with the English language, huh?'DOESN'T LISTEN: Or more accurately doesn't comprehend but ironically accuses others like me 'JEESH!  You really are struggling with sixth-grade English comprehension, huh?'DOESN'T RESPECT PEOPLE WITH DIFFERING
 OPINIONS: As admitted in his New Year's resolutions of 'To be more understanding of those whom I criticize . . . not necessarily agree with them, but attempt to understand from where they are coming.  To not only express my disapproval/disagreement, but to explain why I disapprove/disagree in terms so as to promote constructive dialogue, not degenerative monologue.'TALKS OVER PEOPLE: As demonstrated by continuously overposting to the viz.

And yet nary a word from either of you regarding your buddy Tom probably because as Tom writes often about his dear intolerista friends: 'You are, will continue to be, and always have been, one of the good guys, Sue [and Saundra and Rose and others as likeminded as us], as this old photo of one of the several Intolerista get-togethers clearly shows of just a portion of your friends.'

You'd be giving Bill Lambert a free pass to unleash his virtriol if his political leanings aligned with yours much the same way you give Tom a free pass to bash ANYONE and EVERYONE who has differing views than him be it Mitt 'lack of integrity' Romney, John 'Shut Up' Weber, Dale 'unethical' Courtney, etc., etc., etc., ad nausuem so much so that it SHOULD make you sick to your stomach.  And yet surprisingly, it doesn't.

Go ahead and complain and criticize the 'Good Ol' Boys' and white entitlement and have zero clue that you're engaging in the exact same sort of behavior with your own group of supposed moral elitists.

Here's an
 idea...how about we actually go down the list of specific issues that candidates are campaigning on and discuss their merits of how good or bad each one of these issues would be for Moscow?  Or would it be easier to let Tom inundate the viz unopposed singing the praises of his good buddies that think like him and for those he opposes let him (as if anyone could stop him) post mounds of unflattering links / sound bites, photos, photoshopped crap, and his view that so-and-so is unworthy because they didn't serve in the military?

-Scott

From: donaldrose at cpcinternet.com
To: v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm; vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 13:01:01
 -0700
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Bill "The Bully" Lambert

Thanks, Saundra, for reposting this email.  It is as timely the second time as it was the first!  I was there as well and it was humiliating moment for all of us.  It certainly was not a positive interaction for Mr. Lambert.  Perhaps this reminder will allow Mr. Lambert to make a very belated apology.Rose Huskey From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Saundra Lund
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 11:46 AM
To: 'viz'
Subject: [Vision2020] Bill "The Bully" Lambert Since Bill Lambert has opted to run for mayor, and since I've had several people contact me privately to ask why I consider Lambert to be a bully, this seems to be a good time to repost something I originally posted here back in 2007. I'll add that since then, my opinion of Lambert's character hasn't changed based on
 the experiences of others who've shared with me.  Words and phrases like “abrasive,” “condescending,” “rude,” “talks over people,” “disrespectful,” “doesn’t listen,” “doesn’t respect people with differing opinions,” etc., have all been descriptors used . . . and those are the flattering ones. Wayne Price, I think, recently mentioned he thinks it's "time for a change," but I'm not one for giving a vote to a rude, disrespectful bully who obviously lacks the character needed to work with diverse people on behalf of the City.  But maybe his support of Bill "The Bully" Lambert is nothing more than an example of the old adage that birds of a
 feather flock together  :-) Anyway, here's a repost of my personal experience with Lambert's conduct when acting in his official capacity of a P&Z commissioner.  I deleted some of the trailing posts; for those interested in reading the entire thread, you can find it here.  Saundra LundMoscow, ID -----Original Message-----
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Saundra Lund
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 5:56 PM
To: 'Mark Solomon'; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wheaton Story in paper Hi Mark, It's been awhile, but I'm happy to share what I recall with the hope that others at the meeting with perhaps with better recollection might also share. The current Council member to whom I'm referring is Bill Lambert, who was at the time on the City of Moscow's Planning and Zoning Commission.Unfortunately, I don't recall the exact date of the meeting, but I believe it was in the summer of 2005, and it might have been during the meeting on 7/13/2005. There was quite a decent turnout for the P&Z meeting, and
 I remember Chair Jerry Schutz commenting on how pleased he was to see so many people take an interest in P&Z.  IIRC, he said they weren't used to having an audience, or at least, such a large audience. My recollection is that the Commission members were originally seated around a table on the floor (where the Council Administrative and Public Works & Finance Committees sit), but it seems to me they readjusted themselves to sit on only three sides before the meeting actually started as more people showed up. I also recall that the microphones weren't being used at that point. IIRC, I was seated about four or maybe five rows back, and Mr. Schutz asked if everyone could hear what was being said.  More than a few people indicated they were having difficulty hearing, and I believe Mr. Schutz said something about they'd try to remember to keep their voices up and to let them know if voices dropped. At least some voices were kept up for a bit, and some commissioners did better at this than others.  Mr. Lambert was speaking, and a gentleman seated in the first or second row (IIRC) raised his hand to indicate that he couldn't hear what was being said.  I believe Mr. Schutz verified that the gentleman's hand was raised because he couldn't hear, and more than a few others (myself included) indicated that we couldn't hear Mr. Lambert's comments, either.  Mr. Schutz again asked the commissioners to remember to keep their voices up, and I believe the discussion continued briefly before Mr. Lambert again couldn't be heard and the gentleman again raised his hand and said something like, "Can you please speak UP? I still can't hear you." At which point Mr. Lambert became overtly hostile, defensive and downright rude, and he said something like he was speaking as loudly as he was going to speak and he wasn't going to yell to be heard.  Mind you, the audience was appropriately orderly, so it's not like people talking in the gallery were the
 cause.  There was a bit more to Mr. Lambert's rant, but I was so aghast I don't recall further specifics other than there was *no difficulty* hearing what he was saying then, so clearly Mr. Lambert was capable of making himself heard when he wanted to. At that point, the gentleman got up to leave, saying something like, "Public meetings don't do any good if the public can't hear" as he left.  I think it was clear to all present that the gentleman wasn't happy, and my eyebrows weren't the only ones raised at Mr. Lambert's reprehensible behavior. My recollection is that this all happened within the first 15 minutes or so of the meeting, but again, it was almost two years ago. I was absolutely stunned by Mr. Lambert's tirade.  I've been to a lot of government meetings in my life, and outside some in the UK, and I'd never seen anything quite like Mr. Lambert's attack on those who couldn't make out his mumbling.  Quite frankly, his conduct was inappropriate, he was disrespectful to his fellow commissioners and to the audience, and his behavior was an embarrassment to the City he was appointed to represent.Not only was the gentleman who was the target of Mr. Lambert's rant due an apology, but so, too, were the rest of us present.  However, none was forthcoming at that meeting or any of the subsequent P&Z meetings I attended. I'll also interject that the gentleman was only one of *many* who were having difficulty hearing the
 meeting.  People sitting closer than I were having difficulty, people sitting in the same row I was were having trouble, and people seated further back were all having trouble hearing. After the gentleman left, my recollection is that the commissioners relocated to dais (where the City Council sits) and the microphones were turned on.  Interestingly -- or not -- members of the audience continued to have some difficulty making out what Mr. Lambert said because microphones don't do much good if they aren't spoken into. Mr. Lambert created such a spectacle of himself I'll not soon forget it. And, it's really too bad he didn't have the good sense to
 simply apologize as others have done -- were it not for his arrogance and had he done the right thing by apologizing, he might well have gotten one of my votes for City Council.  As it is, I'll always remember his inappropriate public behavior, his poor judgment, and his tendency to fly off the handle with little or no provocation; none of those are qualities I want in my elected officials.  Saundra LundMoscow, ID The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.- Edmund Burke -----Original Message-----From: Mark Solomon [mailto:msolomon at moscow.com]Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 1:56 PMTo: Saundra Lund; vision2020 at moscow.comSubject: Re: [Vision2020] Wheaton Story in paper Saundra, For those of us who are only hearing of this for the first time, could you elaborate a bit more? thank you, m. At 10:48 AM -0700 4/5/07, Saundra Lund wrote:>Perhaps one or the other can replace the current Council member who, >when serving on a commission, thought those in the audience didn't need >to hear what was being discussed in the public meeting by the >commission membersand>who, in fact, was INCREDIBLY RUDE to an elderly man who requested the >board members speak up so they could be heard.> >It was my opinion that had more Moscow citizens been at that meeting -- >or if videos of those meetings were available or had that meeting been >covered by the press (assuming we had a real newspaper, which we don't >appear to>have) -- that particular current Council member never would have been >elected.  It was one of the more shameful displays I've ever seen in a >public meeting  :-(((> > >Saundra Lund>Moscow, ID> >The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to >do nothing.>- Edmund Burke >-----Original Message----->From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com >[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]>On Behalf Of lfalen>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:04 AM>To: g. crabtree; Matt Decker; privatejf32 at hotmail.com;vision2020 at moscow.com>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wheaton Story in paper> >Decker and Crabtree for City Council> >Roger
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