[Vision2020] Firm seeks to undo megaloads ruling

[Nicholas Gier]

Hi Wayne:

As an anti-megaload advocate, I do not deny that Highway 12 is a
commercial road.  To argue otherwise is absurd.

What I do say is that it is not an appropriate "high and wide (!!!!)"
industrial corridor as the designated route, for example, that goes
from Houston to the Canadian border.  That's where these loads should
be hauled.

Nick

On 9/24/13, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I just think the whole brouhaha is politics as usual.  Using Hansen's
> illogic about a the 'once-beautiful passage (simply cited on a map as US
> Highway 12) from Lewiston, Idaho to Lolo, Montana', anyone could make the
> case that Highway 12 itself already has ruined this 'once-beautiful
> passage'.  I think all precautions should be put in place to safely move the
> Megaloads down Highway 12 with minimal disruption to those living and
> traveling along that corridor, but once they've moved on through there
> wouldn't be anything different from now.  The one Megaload that has already
> gone through hasn't changed anything about that stretch of highway so that
> pretty much neuters the argument that the Megaloads will ruin things.  The
> delays will be forgotten, trees are renewable, and road and power line
> damage can be fixed.  Anything affecting the scenic view (or lack thereof)
> years from now will be caused by something other than the Megaloads which
> are simply passing through for a relatively very brief period of time.
>
> -Scott
>
> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:48:26 -0700
> From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Firm seeks to undo megaloads ruling
> To: bear at moscow.com; scooterd408 at hotmail.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>
> From my perspective, I understand and sympathize with arguments involving
> the possible problems with moving a large megaload through the area (delays,
> cutting trees, possible damage to the road).  What I object to are the
> political arguments involving the purpose for these megaloads.  I really
> don't want our government deciding what legal items we are allowed or not
> allowed to move along a public road based solely on their intended purpose.
> The roads should be like the phone lines.  No restrictions on what goes down
> them unless an actual law is broken.  Pursuant to the permitting process and
> so forth, of course.
>
> I do think what you are saying about "if they control it then they should
> pay for it" makes sense.  There are also some State/Federal issue I'm not
> particularly comfortable with here,
>  too.
>
> Paul
>
>
>         From: Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com>
>  To: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
> Cc: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>  Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 12:49 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Firm seeks to undo megaloads ruling
>
> Scott,
> I have also driven Hwy 12, and there is NOTHING changed along
>  that route, but I have taken steps by contacting my state representatives,
> and strongly urge them that since a federal judge in Boise has determined
> that both the Nez Perce Tribe and the US Forest Service now has the final
> say so over what travels on what was previously a state controlled highway,
> there should be NO state funds put into that highway. IF the Nez Perce and
> the Forest Service control that highway, let them pay for the maintenance
> and upkeep. This is also a red-flag warning to any other state that if one
> of their highways is designated a
> Roads were built and maintained for commerce. IF the nay-sayers want a road
> that looks and function like the route traveled  by  Lewis and Clark, so be
> it, but I don't want my state transportation dollars supporting it. Those
> funds, if approved by the state legislature, can come out of and be
> administered by the state historical preservations
>  office.
> Wayne
>
> On Sep 24, 2013, at 12:05 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:When you write about 'our
> children and our children's children', is that specifically your children or
> other' children?
> One Megaload has already crossed. Have you been through Highway 12 since
> that time and noticed any change to the scenic environment?  If not, when
> was the last time you travelled Highway 12 Megaload route?
> -Scott
> On Sep 24, 2013, at 2:55 AM, "Moscow Cares" <moscowcares at moscow.com> wrote:
>
> Years from now, when our children and our children's children, journey
> across that once-beautiful passage (simply cited on a map as US Highway 12)
> from Lewiston, Idaho to Lolo, Montana, i do not want their first two words
> to be, "Remember when . . . "
> Courtesy of today's (September 24, 2013) Lewiston Tribune.
> ---------------------------------Firm seeks to undo megaloads rulingIf judge
> won't halt suspension, company will appealA General Electric subsidiary said
> a federal judge made several legal errors when he barred megaloads from
> using U.S. Highway 12 and has asked him to reconsider.If the
>  request is denied, attorneys for Resource Conservation Company
> International said they will appeal the ruling by U.S. District Judge B.
> Lynn Winmill that closed the highway to its contracted shipper Omega Morgan
> and its plans to haul massive water purification equipment to Canadian oil
> fields via the highway.On Sept. 12, Winmill ruled against RCCI and the U.S.
> Forest Service and issued a preliminary injunction ordering the agency to
> block the loads. The injunction was requested by the Nez Perce Tribe and the
> environmental group Idaho Rivers United. On Sept. 17, Regional Forester Faye
> Kruger of Missoula, Mont., issued an order barring megaloads from using the
> portion of the highway that crosses the forest.In his ruling, Winmill said
> the agency's failure to stop the shipments violated several federal laws,
> including the Wild and Scenic Rivers Act as well as the Clearwater National
> Forest Plan. That ruling was based, in part, on a phone conversation between
> Forest Service Chief Tom Tidwell and Nez Perce Tribal Chairman Silas Whitman
> in which Tidwell reportedly refused Whitman's request to block the loads.The
> legal request from the company alleges Winmill was wrong to consider
> Tidwell's refusal as a final agency action because Forest Service
>  officials were in the process of conducting a study on megaload impacts to
> the Middle Fork of the Clearwater/Lochsa Wild and Scenic River Corridor and
> had also begun formal consultations with the tribe.The company also
> disagreed with Winmill's finding that the agency's discretionary decision
> not to previously take enforcement action against Omega-Morgan was an
> "extreme abdication of statutory responsibility" and the company claims the
> judge based his decision to order the closure on an issue not raised during
> court briefings but raised in oral arguments, leaving them too little time
> to respond.Attorneys for the company also took issue with Winmill saying it
> stood to lose $5 million if it couldn't use the highway. They said the
> company actually could be out $85 million. Because the company's plans to
> use the highway predate a February decision by Winmill saying the Forest
> Service has authority to regulate megaload traffic, they said the judge's
> characterization of their decision to use the highway as a calculated risk
> was in error."RCCI respectfully requests that the court, on an expedited
> basis, reconsider its order, deny plaintiffs' request for injunctive relief,
> and direct the Forest Service to rescind its September 17,
>  2013 closure order accordingly. Should the court decline to reconsider its
> order, or should it reconsider its order only to conclude that the
> injunction should remain, RCCI alternatively requests that the court grant
> RCCI's request to stay the injunction pending an appeal," according to court
> documents.The company shipped a megaload over the highway in early August,
> which spawned four nights of protests by tribal members and
> environmentalists. Another RCCI oversized load awaits shipment at the Port
> of Wilma and the company has said it intends to use the highway to ship six
> more loads to Canada.
> ---------------------------------
> A year or so ago a bunch of us "anti-megaloaders" gathered at the residence
> of Borg Hendricks and Lin Laughy.  At one point during the festivities, Lin
> explained how this all got started a few years ago . . .
> He explained that, having heard about the potential of ever-increasing (in
> size and number) loads being transported up US-12 from the Lewiston Port
> into Montana and up to Canada, he and Borg discussed this and how adeversely
> it would impact the Scenic Byway of Highway 12.  Apparently the discussion
> became a bit heated, and as they quizically looked at each other, Borg said
> to Lin (or Lin said to Borg) . . . "Hey, ya think maybe . . . ?"
> And so it began.
> Well, Lin and Borg, as a passage in the song "High Hopes" goes . . .
> "High Hopes"
> "Just what makes that little old antThink he'll move that rubber tree
> plantAnyone knows an ant, can'tMove a rubber tree plantBut he's got high
> hopesHe's got
>  high hopesHe's got high apple pieIn the sky hopesSo any time you're gettin'
> low'Stead of lettin' go, just remember that antOops, there goes another
> rubber tree plantOops, there goes another rubber tree plantOops, there goes
> another rubber tree plant."Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . ."Moscow
> Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants
> on)http://www.MoscowCares.com  Tom HansenMoscow, Idaho"This is the 'Mouse
> that Roared,' 'David and Goliath' and 'Avatar' all rolled into
>  one.  We must remember that the thousands of citizens involved in this
> effort to protect their personal and family safety, their businesses and
> their lifestyles are confronting some of the largest international
> corporations in the world."~ Linwood Laughy
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