[Vision2020] Alive at 25 (Sept 29, 2013)

[Joe Campbell]

I'm not arguing against the advice. I just dislike the moralistic tone. Advice is good but do you think lecturing young folks about the dangers of m-jay is going to do any good? To whom? Some kids have the message already, and they are ready to listen. For them the program is unnecessary. For others, this is laughable bullshit. 

And I'm not bent about anything. I like to express my views; I like to go against the status quo. In addition, I was a troubled youth. Certainly I needed guidance and information but I was rebellious and untrusting of authority. I would never go to something like this and if you forced me to go I'd have laughed my way through it and been otherwise disruptive.

Show me the success of these programs. They strike me as bullshit programs that folks set up to make themselves feel as if they are "helping."

On Sep 4, 2013, at 6:36 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I've never claimed to be a libertarian. Why are you bent about any of this? 'Alive at 25' is a class that teaches about the reality of the statistically increased probably of injury or death to younger / less experienced drivers.  My only comment was that I hoped marijuana would be considered as one of the 'party drugs' they'd mentioned on the web site. To put it bluntly, they should advise people to not ever drive when they're stoned, drunk, or in any other impaired condition.  How can you even argue against such sane advice?
> 
> -Scott
> 
> On Sep 4, 2013, at 6:04 PM, "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> People die from skiing, from driving, from walking, from living. Should we resist those activities? Here is my view. Let people do whatever they want as long as it doesn't interfere with others. Sure there are costs but not nearly as much as the costs of our high cost prison system. Some wish that they could believe in a nice white guy in the sky that will give them life ever after if only they choose to believe. Others cannot buy that because it sounds to them like a bunch of crap. (I'm still on the fence.) Life is hard and the fear of death causes folks to avoid thinking about it in all kinds of ways, sometimes (ironically) to the extent in which their indulgences make them that much closer too it. Arrest folks who drive drunk, high, whatever -- whenever their actions place risk upon the lives and interests of others -- but stop judging people and just let them live their own lives the best they can.
>> 
>> By the way, you are officially NO libertarian in my book, Scott.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> I would hope "marijuana" would be considered a subset of "party drugs" and thus would be discouraged.
>>> 
>>> From the website:
>>> DDC-Alive at 25 teaches young adults that:
>>> People in their age group are more likely to be hurt or killed in a vehicle crash.
>>> Inexperience, distractions, and peer pressure cause unique driving hazards.
>>> Speeding, alcohol, and "party drugs" greatly increase their risk of injury or death.
>>> As a driver or passenger, they can greatly reduce their risk by taking control.
>>> Committing to changing their driving behavior makes personal, legal and financial sense.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: skalasz at ci.moscow.id.us
>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 21:11:47 +0000
>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Alive at 25 (Sept 29, 2013)
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>>>  
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>>> Our Next Class: 
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>>> Sunday, September 29, 2013, 3:30 pm to 8:00 pm
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>>> at the Moscow Police Department.
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>>>  
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>>> Alive at 25 is a young driver intervention program developed by the National Safety Council for drivers between 14 and 24 years of age. Alive at 25 was implemented in Idaho in 2010. This course is a 4.5 hour program that focuses on the decision making processes and behaviors that young drivers and passengers display in a motor vehicle and is designed to prevent the number one killer of teens, automobile crashes.
>>> 
>>> Alive at 25 is taught exclusively by law enforcement officers who hold candid conversations with students about what can happen if they practice risky behavior or make other poor decisions in an automobile. This highly interactive program encourages young drivers between the ages of 14 and 24 to take responsibility for their driving behavior.
>>> 
>>> Our next class is scheduled for September 29, 2013.  There is no cost.  If you are interested in your child or young adult attending this class, please register on line at www.AliveAt25.us
>>> 
>>> If you have any questions, please feel free to contact either myself or Cpl. Bruce Lovell at the Moscow Police Department.
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>>> <image003.png>Cpl. Art Lindquist
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>>>             Moscow Police Department
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>>>             118 East 4th Street
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>>>             Moscow, Idaho  83843
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>>>             alindquist at ci.moscow.id.us
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>>>             208-883-7129
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