[Vision2020] Question, V-Peeps . . .

Thu Oct 17 16:43:20 PDT 2013

Whether a potential presidential candidate was literally born overseas is
obviously irrelevant, unless we are excluding US citizens born in Hawaii,
Guam, and Puerto Rico.
On Oct 18, 2013 8:25 AM, "Scott Dredge" <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Give it up Tom.  John McCain wasn't born overseas, he was born in Panama
> and there ain't no sea dividing the land between here and there.  If there
> is any constitutional question on this, it can easily be answered by the
> Supreme Court with a 5-4 decision along party appointment lines.  It's a
> non-issue because he won't run, won't win the primaries if he did run, and
> wouldn't win in a general election.  All in all, it's a moot point with the
> exception that it shows glaring bias on your part.  Whatever - see what you
> want to see through your donkey colored glasses.
>
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> From: thansen at moscow.com
> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:03:48 -0700
> To: godshatter at yahoo.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question, V-Peeps . . .
>
> Sen. Cruz held dual citizenship (Canadian and U.S.) until this past August.
>
>
> http://m.woai.com/media/podcast-charlie-parker-podcast-SAFNPodcast/82013-cruz-denounces-canadian-citizenship-23605218/
>
> Concerning "natural born" citizenship, our founding fathers, and the U.S.
> Constitution, Section 1, Article II of the U.S. Constitution (cited
> earlier) states . . .
>
> "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United
> States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution . . . "
>
> Apparently our founding fathers, judging by this passage, established a
> difference between a "natural born citizen" and a person with U.S.
> citizenship.
>
> Furthermore . . .
> "The House of Representatives Definition of “Natural Born Citizen” = Born
> of citizen “parents” in the US."
>
>
> http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2011/03/09/the-house-of-representatives-definition-of-natural-born-citizen-born-of-citizen-parents-in-the-us/
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
>
> On Oct 17, 2013, at 3:34 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Arnold Schwarzenegger became a naturalized US citizen in 1983.  Ted Cruz
> became a US citizen at the time of his birth.  The phrase "natural born"
> could be construed to mean "became a US citizen at birth".  It's definitely
> not an open-and-shut case, though, because his father was not a US citizen
> at the time of his birth.  Since there is no definition of "natural born"
> in the Constitution or in the writings of the founding fathers, we may
> never know without an amendment to the Constitution or a ruling by the
> Supreme Court.  It would be difficult to show standing for Federal court,
> though, as previous cases against McCain have shown.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>   On Thursday, October 17, 2013 3:06 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> wrote:
>  Yes, Mr. Rumelhart.
>
> Sen. Ted Cruz IS a U.S. citizen, a foreign-born U.S. citizen.  Just like
> former California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, who also cannot run for
> president.
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
>
> On Oct 17, 2013, at 2:56 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> He was born abroad and his mother was a U.S. citizen at the time.  It's my
> understanding that this makes him a U.S. citizen "at birth" or "by birth".
> Again, I'm not a legal authority on this issue.  It also apparently makes
> him a Canadian citizen as well, which doesn't factor in unless he's trying
> to run for Prime Minister.
>
> Again, not a legal scholar, and I've pretty much reached the end of my
> knowledge on this subject, such that it is.
>
> Paul
>
>
>   On Thursday, October 17, 2013 2:30 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> wrote:
>  I reiterate, Mr. Rumelhart . . .
>
> Sen. Cruz is not an "American born overseas".  He is/was a Canadian born
> in Alberta.
>
> Se. John McCain is an "American born overseas", as he was born in a U.S.
> Navy hospital in Panama.  "American born overseas" qualifies those born in
> American hospitals overseas as a consideration to the "natural born"
> requirement of the U.S. Constitution.
>
> Otherwise, children of U.S. service members (soldiers, sailors, airmen,
> and Marines), born overseas woukd not be considered American citizens.
>
> Ok?
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
>
> On Oct 17, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Then perhaps you should be having this debate with those "legal scholars"
> mentioned in the article.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>   On Thursday, October 17, 2013 2:03 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> wrote:
>  I simply stated that Sen. Cruz is not eligible to run for President of
> the United States . . . and supported my statement with the U.S.
> Constitution.
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
>
> On Oct 17, 2013, at 1:54 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Are you serious?  I suspect you are throwing Obama birther arguments at me
> as if I was one, which I'm not.  You seem to have a very "us/everyone else"
> view of the cosmos.
>
> Just in case you are serious, I've already explained that I am not a legal
> scholar, but agree that if the general agreement between legal scholars is
> that he is eligible, then that seems like the likely answer.
>
> In answer to your last question, the only thing stopping them is the
> common sense and good taste of the actual women involved.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>   On Thursday, October 17, 2013 1:43 PM, Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com>
> wrote:
>  As a citizen, born of a US parent outside the US, I'd have to say yes he
> qualifies, and apparently so does Sarah Duggin at Catholic University.
>  It would be reasonable to interpret the Constitution’s natural born
> citizenship provision to include children born abroad to U.S. citizens,
> including Senator Cruz, for a number of reasons," she said.
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 17, 2013, at 1:04 PM, Tom Hansen wrote:
>
> Again, I ask . . .
>
> *Is Sen. Ted Cruz constitutionally eligible to run for President of the
> United States?*
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
>
> On Oct 17, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com> wrote:
>
> Oh great, suddenly YOU are a birther? *S*
>
> Why don't you just do what you wanted everyone else to do, suck it up!
>
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> On Oct 17, 2013, at 11:08 AM, Tom Hansen wrote:
>
> Is Sen. Ted Cruz constitutionally eligible to run for President of the
> United States?
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>
> Section 1, Article II of the United States Constitution.
>
> http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii
>
> "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United
> States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible
> to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that
> office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and
> been fourteen Years a resident within the United States."
>
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>
> Sen. Ted Cruz's birth certificate shows he was born in Canada in 1970. It
> was released exclusively to The Dallas Morning News.
>
>
> http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20130818-canada-born-ted-cruz-became-a-citizen-of-that-country-as-well-as-u.s..ece?nclick_check=1
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> Thoughts?
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
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