[Vision2020] Question, V-Peeps . . .

Thu Oct 17 14:24:15 PDT 2013

>From Wikipedia:

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The Constitution does not define the phrase natural-born citizen, and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its precise meaning. A 2011 Congressional Research Service report stated that
The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term 
"natural born" citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. 
citizenship "by birth" or "at birth", either by being born "in" the 
United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien 
parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born 
in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship "at 
birth". Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a 
U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an "alien" 
required to go through the legal process of "naturalization" to become a U.S. citizen.[1]
The natural-born-citizen clause has been mentioned in passing in several decisions of the United States Supreme Court and lower courts dealing with the question of eligibility for 
citizenship by birth, but the Supreme Court has never directly addressed the question of a specific presidential or vice-presidential 
candidate's eligibility as a natural-born citizen."

I don't know if that helps or not.  We would likely need a Supreme Court ruling to be sure.

Paul

On Thursday, October 17, 2013 2:10 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:

Then perhaps you should be having this debate with those "legal scholars" mentioned in the article.

Paul

On Thursday, October 17, 2013 2:03 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:

I simply stated that Sen. Cruz is not eligible to run for President of the United States . . . and supported my statement with the U.S. Constitution.

Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .

"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
http://www.MoscowCares.com

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"There's room at the top they are telling you still But first you must learn how to smile as you kill 
If you want to be like the folks on the hill."

- John Lennon

On Oct 17, 2013, at 1:54 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:

Are you serious?  I suspect you are throwing Obama birther arguments at me as if I was one, which I'm not.  You seem to have a very "us/everyone else" view of the cosmos.  
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>Just in case you are serious, I've already explained that I am not a legal scholar, but agree that if the general agreement between legal scholars is
 that he is eligible, then that seems like the likely answer.
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>In answer to your last question, the only thing stopping them is the common sense and good taste of the actual women involved.
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>As a citizen, born of a US parent outside the US, I'd have to say yes he qualifies, and apparently so does Sarah Duggin at Catholic University.
> It would be reasonable to interpret the Constitution’s natural born citizenship provision to include children born abroad to U.S. citizens, including Senator Cruz, for a number of reasons," she said.
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>Again, I ask . . .
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>Is Sen. Ted Cruz constitutionally eligible to run for President of the United States?
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>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
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>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>http://www.MoscowCares.com
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>Is Sen. Ted Cruz constitutionally eligible to run for President of the United States?
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>Section 1, Article II of the United States Constitution.
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>http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii
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>"No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States."
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>Sen. Ted Cruz's birth certificate shows he was born in Canada in 1970. It was released exclusively to The Dallas Morning News.
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>Thoughts?
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>Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
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>"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>http://www.MoscowCares.com
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>Tom Hansen
>Moscow, Idaho
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>"There's room at the top they are telling you still But first you must learn how to smile as you kill 
>If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
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>- John Lennon
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