[Vision2020] Concerning the Government Shutdown . . .

Wed Oct 2 12:09:57 PDT 2013

Hi Roger,

This whole idea of "fairness" is bogus, especially for a party whose
members say to all us "bleeding hearts": "Life is unfair."  I say that more
taxes on super rich is "fair," but the GOP says it's not.  I like my idea
of equity better than yours.

Even hundreds of GOP congressional aides rose up and said "Unfair!" when
their employers tried to strip them their government health plans. They saw
how phony this charade is.  Thanks to the Great Goddess, who is always
fair, the majority of your sad party refused to do it.

Except for some computer problems, the individual mandate is ready to go,
none too late, for millions of people without coverage. Such as a friend's
sister with cancer who was arbitrarily kicked off Medicaid. She will now
have coverage, no questions asked.  I ask you:  Is it fair, if you had your
way, that millions of uninsured will not be able to sign up in the
exchanges???  I can't believe that you would answer Yes.

The situation with employer coverage is very different, and some fixes are
begging to be made. Already employee hours are being cynically cut because
their bosses don't want to cover them.  Thanks to the individual mandate--a
conservative idea by the way--they can find their own coverage on the
exchanges.  Your charge that the delay for employer coverage is
"unconstitutional" is absurd.

Your history lesson is misguided. After piling up debt year after year
(finally tripling it, primarily in an unnecessary escalation of the Cold
War), Reagan was never threatened by the Democrats not to extend the debt
limit.  They never attached "do or die" amendments to their budget
proposals.  They made of their budgets, passed them on time, with Reagan's
approval. The current GOP has blocked every single budget compromise
(spending cuts contingent on modest tax increases).  It's the GOP's fault
that there is no budget.

If Reagan were here today, he would agree with your 2008 GOP presidential
candidate John McCain: this Tea Party madness must stop.  Reagan would
certainly not agree with your defense of this egregious, terrorist-like
obstruction of government.

I challenge you to call your GOP representatives and relay McCain's message
to them. Even Boehner did not want this to happen, but he caved into his
radical right.  He will eventually have to come back and drop this insane
Obamacare provision. The number of House Republicans ready to do this is
growing day by day.  They know very well that Obama will not give in to
blackmail and extortion.

Roger, I can't believe you really want to be left standing on the extreme,
extreme right.  You don't do it locally, and you should not do it
nationally.
Why the inconsistency?

Eagerly waiting and wishing for the GOP, particularly its cowardly House
Speaker, to come to its senses, or collapse under the weight of own
irrationality and stupidity,

Nick

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 11:32 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:

> The shutdown will hurt a lot of people. Most people live paycheck to
> paycheck. They have bills to pay. Also some people who need medical care
> may not be able to get it.
>
>
>
> What needs to be done but won't be is either that that Obamacare is
> delayed for a year for everyone or that everyone is subject to the law now.
> Big  business, labor unions and congress should all be subject to the law
> at the same time. I believe it is unconstitutiionzl for Obama to let some
> people of the hook. He does not have the constitutional authority to decide
> on his own who to apply it to and who gets a delay.
>
> The Democrats and the lamestream media are doing their best to blame the
> shutdown on the Republicans and they will probably get away with it. But it
> is not so. They are all responsible. The Democrats say that the Republicans
> wont deal unless they get their way on Obamacare. But the Democrats are
> just as recalcitrant. the House has sent a variety of different bills to
> the Senate and they have rejected them all. Now the House is sending over
> bills to fund various portions of the government and the Senate seems bound
> and determined to reject these. So just who is responsible for the
> continued shutdown. I long for the the days of Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neil.
>
>
>
> Roger
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> To: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Date: 10/02/13 10:46
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Concerning the Government Shutdown . . .
>
>  "In the event of a shutdown, stateside commissaries, including Alaska
> and Hawaii, will be open for a full business day on Oct. 1 to reduce the
> amount of perishables on-hand before beginning a systematic closure process
> to account for unsold products and secure facilities.
>
> Jeu recommends that customers stay tuned in to their local news outlets
> for information about any impact to services on their installations.
>
> During a shutdown, commissary customers should be able to access the DeCA
> website <http://www.commissaries.com/index.cfm>. However, that site and
> the agency's social media platforms - Facebook, Twitter and other sites -
> would not be updated after Oct. 1 until the shutdown is over. Customers
> should be able to access the Department of Defense website<http://www.defense.gov/>,
> and its social media platforms for any updated information and breaking
> news that affects service members and federal government civilian
> employees."
>
> Source:
>
> http://www.commissaries.com/press_room/press_release/2013/DeCA_67_13.cfm
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
>  - John Lennon
>
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>
>
> On Oct 2, 2013, at 9:27 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Although the Military Pay Act was passed and signed virtually seconds
> before midnight Monday, thus ensuring that our soldiers, sailors, airmen,
> and Marines will continue to be paid . . .
>
> Commissaries on military installations, funded by the Department of
> Defense budget, closed their doors yesterday morning.  This may not be much
> of an inconvenience to Installations like Fort Benning (Columbus, Georgia
> is just outside the main gate) or Fort Dix (Wrightstown, New Jersey is just
> outside its main gate).
>
> But, when the commissary at Fort Irwin (home of the 11th Armored Cavalry
> Regiment, 916th Support Brigade, and the National Training Center
> Operations Group), suddenly the nearest location for grocery shopping
> became Barstow, California . . . 45 (that's right, FORTY-FIVE) MILES AWAY.
>
> I'm guessing that there is not one member of congress who suddenly had
> that inconvenience thrust upon them!
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>
>  Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
>  - John Lennon
>
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