[Vision2020] NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls

Sun Jun 9 09:25:04 PDT 2013

And many more are now afraid of the government.

On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>wrote:

> In many respects it seems as if the terrorists have won. Their goal was to
> instill fear right? Well the government sure seems afraid.
>
> On Jun 9, 2013, at 7:48 AM, Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> @Joe,
>
> Of course the whole issue and what it indicates and entails is much more
> complicated.  Surveillance of the kind at issue without responsible and
> accountable judicial oversight plus secrecy laws preventing the abuses of
> this surveillance being examined among other things such as a really,
> really contorted interpretation of the Fourth Amendment indicates gross
> arrogance of all those willingly participating.
>
> Most of us understand what is at stake, but the disallowing of judicial
> oversight combined with targeting millions and millions for whom there is
> not probable cause or even articulatable suspicion seems an unwarranted
> intrusion into personal liberty.
>
> No one with mental facilities intact would accuse me of being a Tea Party
> member.  But long experience has shown me that there are LE personnel and
> similar types inand outside of government whose honesty, integrity, and
> objectively do no meet the minimum standard.  Hence, I do not trust what
> they say about what data is being collected, how it is being used, or how
> safe it is from hacking, intentional leaks, or other noxious uses.  I
> wonder if the President or the legislature is being told the whole truth.
>
> Arrogance and the misuse/overuse of power by some that think they know
> best is at the root of the problem and is at the root of totalitarianism.
>
> w.
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Is that it Wayne? The whole thing makes me wonder if it is the military
>> or the people running our government.
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2013, at 6:11 AM, Art Deco <art.deco.studios at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> The acquisition of power does horrible things to many people.  Even on
>> the local level.
>>
>> w.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Sunil Ramalingam <
>> sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It's wrong every time, and both parties support it when their member is
>>> doing it. So it never changes, and the state grabs more and more power.
>>>
>>> Why should we believe Obama when he says they're not listening to
>>> conversations? He promised the most transparent administration, and instead
>>> has prosecuted more people under the Espionage Act than all other previous
>>> administrations before him.
>>>
>>> He hasn't prosecuted anyone for torture, but he'll go after anyone who
>>> provides information about the torture program. And he's got his own
>>> rendition program.
>>>
>>> Hope and change indeed.
>>>
>>> Sunil
>>>
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>>> From: scooterd408 at hotmail.com
>>> To: thansen at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 18:12:02 -0600
>>> CC: jeannemchale at hotmail.com; fritzknorr at gmail.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] NSA has massive database of Americans' phone
>>> calls
>>>
>>>
>>> Apples to oranges comparison.  That was when a Republican occupied the
>>> White House.  Hence no outrage from conservatives back then vs now.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> From: thansen at moscow.com
>>> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 17:01:31 -0700
>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> CC: jeannemchale at hotmail.com; fritzknorr at gmail.com
>>> Subject: [Vision2020] NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls
>>>
>>> Courtesy of the *May 11, 2006* edition of USA Today at:
>>>
>>> http://yahoo.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------
>>>
>>> NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls
>>>
>>> The National Security Agency has been secretly collecting the phone call
>>> records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by AT&T,
>>> Verizon and BellSouth, people with direct knowledge of the arrangement told
>>> USA TODAY.
>>>
>>> The NSA program reaches into homes and businesses across the nation by
>>> amassing information about the calls of ordinary Americans — most of whom
>>> aren't suspected of any crime. This program does not involve the NSA
>>> listening to or recording conversations. But the spy agency is using the
>>> data to analyze calling patterns in an effort to detect terrorist activity,
>>> sources said in separate interviews.
>>>
>>> --------------------
>>>
>>>  REACTION *From the White House:*
>>>
>>> The White House defended its overall eavesdropping program and said no
>>> domestic surveillance is conducted without court approval.
>>>
>>>    ''The intelligence activities undertaken by the United States
>>> government are lawful, necessary and required to protect Americans from
>>> terrorist attacks,'' said Dana Perino, the deputy White House press
>>> secretary, who added that appropriate members of Congress have been briefed
>>> on intelligence activities.
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>>
>>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>>> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>>>
>>> Tom Hansen
>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>
>>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
>>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
>>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>>>
>>> - John Lennon
>>>
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