[Vision2020] U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies in broad secret program

[Paul Rumelhart]

Well, we could reset things to where we were three days after 9/11 if we repealed the "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists" joint resolution.  I'm personally about as scared of dying today in a terrorist attack as I am of seeing Tom Hansen and Doug Wilson throw down their gauntlets and become best buds.  

How many "nations, organizations, or persons" are left that "planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons"?  Is it time for another "Mission Accomplished" banner and to move on with our lives?

Paul




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 From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
To: KRFP <krfp at radiofreemoscow.org> 
Cc: viz <vision2020 at moscow.com> 
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] U.S. intelligence mining data from nine U.S. Internet companies in broad secret program
 


So there was 9-11. That justified the decades+ war on terrorism, but of course the terrorist persists. If there's a threat something must be done, right? But when do we go too far? 

Maybe we went to far initially, when we invaded Iraq. Maybe our current situation is just a continuance of a very bad, fear-driven policy that started awhile ago, and maybe we are just feeling the brunt of that bad policy because it has inevitably flipped back on us. We weep about lost rights but, as Sunil has noted, much of the rest of the world weeps about lost lives.

What I'd like to see is the right take a REAL stand against big government and stop the big U.S. war machine. Stop complaining about the consequences of the bad policy and get to the root of the problem.




On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:48 PM, KRFP <krfp at radiofreemoscow.org> wrote:

Yeah, and the First and the Fifth.  Here again I have the rare occurrence of agreeing with Paul.
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>At this point (actually since 911) I am WAY more afraid of my own
    government then any so called "terrorist".  And I don't mind if they
    know that, obviously, since I posted this. 
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>Dave
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>On 6/6/2013 9:16 PM, Paul Rumelhart wrote:
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>>I'm talking about the 4th Amendment, mainly.
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>>Paul
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>>On 06/06/2013 06:13 PM, Scott Dredge wrote:
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>><I'd rather have my rights.>
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>>>Could you be any less specific?  If anyone's constitutional
          rights are being trampled from this data mining then we
          already have a system in place to roll back the worst abuses.
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>>>> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 17:16:17 -0700
>>>> From: godshatter at yahoo.com
>>>> To: Vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] U.S. intelligence mining data
            from nine U.S. Internet companies in broad secret program
>>>> 
>>>> Here is the URL for a story from the Washington Post
            about yet another 
>>>> data mining warrantless wiretapping abuse.
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>>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-
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            program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html
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>>>> I fear that this is just the beginning of the
            "revelations" to come. 
>>>> It's been going on for years. I'm hoping that The
            People will get so 
>>>> mad about this that we can begin the process of rolling
            back some of the 
>>>> worst abuses that have taken place in order to "keep us
            safe". Screw 
>>>> safety. I'd rather have my rights.
>>>> 
>>>> Paul
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