[Vision2020] Global Warming: The North Pole is now a lake.
Gary Crabtree
ackroplex at gmail.com
Thu Jul 25 15:29:51 PDT 2013
And there we have it folks, the mystical sound of one hand fwapping.
g
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>wrote:
> Nope.
>
> On Jul 25, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Actually, this post started with a web page with a picture of a melt pond
> and a description of the north pole as a "lake".
>
> I'm the one that threw in the graphs and charts and other tidbits, in
> order to place this observation in perspective.
>
> Paujl
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> *To:* Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* viz <vision2020 at moscow.com>; Kenneth Marcy <kmmos1 at frontier.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 25, 2013 2:04 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Global Warming: The North Pole is now a lake.
>
> This post started with a report of the findings of a scientific argument.
> If you reject scientific consensus, what could you possibly mean by
> "objective data"?
>
> On Jul 25, 2013, at 1:35 PM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Take that, Rumelhart! No way objective data in the form of charts
> or graphs can stand up to the scientific power of the mighty limerick.
>
> g
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>
> Let's sum it up in poetry, Mr. Rumelhart.; limerick poetry, that is!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> It's not cold in Alaska, not storming.
> It's to world climate patterns conforming.
> The permafrost's melting,
> And temps are sunbelting,
> As we all watch our doom—global warming.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> The oceans are rising, I hear.
> The atolls will soon disappear.
> These low-lying islands,
> So lacking in highlands,
> Will soon be submerged, so I fear.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Global warming could generate heat
> That would cause polar ice to retreat.
> If the permafrost goes,
> Words like *icebergs* and *floes*
> Would, like *arctically*, be obsolete.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> An Adelie* *besieged at the Pole
> Can't protect its own eggs on patrol.
> Damp spring snow, eggs exposed;
> Penguin chicks die enclosed.
> Global warming is taking its toll.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Baked Alaska once just meant dessert.
> Now it's feared that the Earth has been hurt.
> Ice caps melt; global warming
> Keeps glaciers from forming.
> Can Ketchikan catch torrid dirt?
>
> ------------------------------
>
> A calamity's here, no mistakin';
> Global warming has left us all shaken.
> America's hot,
> But it's worse, is it not,
> What with every Canadian bakin'?
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Global warming may lower the boom,
> Leaving humans enshrouded in gloom.
> Will our hubris and sin
> Send the earth in a spin—
> Cataclysmically plunging toward doom?
>
> ------------------------------
>
> My atlas is now out of date,
> For Greenland's been changing of late;
> Warming Island's appeared
> And this means, as we feared,
> There's a rise in the ice-melting rate.
> And when glaciers break up they disclose
> A topography nobody knows.
> So as ice sheets retreat,
> And seas rise with the heat,
> The demand for new atlases grows.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> You're welcome, Mr. Rumelhart.
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
>
> On Jul 25, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Every year ice melts on large stretches of the ice cap where it cannot
> drain into the ocean. It forms ponds, puddles, lakes, whatever you want to
> call them. This happens at the North Pole as well as at other locations on
> the ice pack. This is one of the reasons determining sea ice area is
> difficult. It's hard to tell ocean water from water-on-top-of-the-ice
> sometimes. Currently, both the sea ice extent and sea ice area numbers are
> higher than they were last year and higher than they were in 2011 or 2007.
> Here is a nice place where a lot of the charts are linked to from the same
> source: http://wattsupwiththat.com/reference-pages/sea-ice-page/ I must
> warn you that Ted hates this website, but since it's a bunch of links to
> data from official sciency-type places, I think it's OK to start there.
>
> I tend to watch the NORSEX SSM/I extent and area charts, since those are
> the charts I've been following for a few years now. There are also lots of
> other interesting graphs, as well as the webcam images from the north pole
> used in the article. If you go there and look at the two web cams right
> now, you'll see that only one looks like it's in a lake. The other one
> looks to be safely on solid ice/snow pack.
>
> I don't say this out of some sort of effort to promote climate denialism
> in an attempt to wreak havoc on the framework of American Life and to lead
> your kids to rock music, I say it to stem the "OMG! The North Pole is a
> lake! We're all dooooomed!" hysteria. I have no idea how this year will
> turn out in terms of minimum extent or area compared to previous years, but
> I'd rather look at the pretty graphs than take all my information from a
> webcam image.
>
> Paul
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Kenneth Marcy <kmmos1 at frontier.com>
> *To:* viz <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:37 AM
> *Subject:* [Vision2020] Global Warming: The North Pole is now a lake.
>
> If ever there was any doubt in your mind about global warming, consider
> this news:
> The North Pole, that great bastion of eternal cold and barren ice, is a
> lake.
> It’s a shallow lake. It’s a cold lake. But it is, actually, a lake.
> According to the North Pole Environmental Observatory<http://psc.apl.washington.edu/northpole/index.html>,
> the summer ice is melting away at unprecedented rates. The sea of snow is
> now meltwater.
>
> http://o.canada.com/2013/07/24/the-north-pole-is-now-a-lake/
>
>
> Ken
>
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