[Vision2020] Should he have stayed in his truck?
Paul Rumelhart
godshatter at yahoo.com
Mon Jul 22 18:04:01 PDT 2013
He compares a long list of charges the six teens are facing vs. a charge
that was waived for Zimmerman. What am I supposed to infer from that?
Paul
On 07/22/2013 05:55 PM, Sunil Ramalingam wrote:
> Lord knows I disagree with Tom plenty. However, I think you're the
> only person who thinks Tom made that inference.
>
> Sunil
>
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> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 16:35:49 -0700
> From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> To: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Should he have stayed in his truck?
>
> I don't know what 13- and 14-year-olds deserve. I'll have to think
> about this for a while. I was just responding to Tom's inferences that
> these kids were getting the short end of the stick while Zimmerman,
> because people think of him as white I guess, got a waived sentence.
> So I was curious what lesser sentences they deserved.
>
> I don't believe that there is any one age where a child magically
> becomes an adult. It's a continuum. I would also be very surprised
> if I found out that a adults brain crystallizes at a set age and never
> changes after that. Anything beyond that I'll have to think about a bit.
>
> Oh, I'm not a neuroscience denier, by the way. I'm sure that a
> teenagers brain is different than a middle-aged man's brain. I just
> don't know what you want me to do with that information. How should I
> change my current tactics of treating 17-year-olds as adults when I
> meet them? What should I do differently, knowing that their brain
> functioning is not fully developed in the regions that govern impulse
> control? Should we as a society not punish teenagers for doing things
> we are sure they understand are wrong?
>
> Paul
>
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> *From:* Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> *To:* Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com>; "vision2020 at moscow.com
> Vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 22, 2013 3:36 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Should he have stayed in his truck?
>
> Paul,
>
> What do you think 13- and 14-year-olds deserve? Of course, you ignore
> climate science, so it doesn't surprise me that you ignored the
> information I posted recently about brain development and age too. But
> what do YOU think and for what reason? What is YOUR theory of moral
> responsibility? When do people become eligible for guilt and
> punishment? At what age and under what conditions are individuals to
> be held fully accountable for their actions? And what is YOUR
> justification for holding the view about moral responsibility that you
> hold? Immaterial soul? Magic? Anything you damn well feel like believing?
>
> I'm not trying to be disrespectful. But I have an answer to these
> questions. In fact, this is one of my primary research interests, so I
> could talk about it all day. I'd like to hear what you have to say.
>
> Best, Joe
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com
> <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> Do you think they deserve any less?
>
> Paul
>
>
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> *From:* Moscow Cares <moscowcares at moscow.com
> <mailto:moscowcares at moscow.com>>
> *To:* Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> <mailto:philosopher.joe at gmail.com>>
> *Cc:* "vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 22, 2013 2:35 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Should he have stayed in his truck?
>
> And those 13- and 14-year-olds (in the beginning years of their
> teens) who assaulted Mahaney, . . . two sentenced to probation . .
> . three plead guilty to felonious assault . . . the sixth pending
> trial; all six of whom may be facing homicide charges if an
> autopsy reflects that the assault may have been contributory to
> Mahaney's death.
>
> Nope. No waiver there.
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com <http://www.moscowcares.com/>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
> On Jul 22, 2013, at 2:11 PM, Joe Campbell
> <philosopher.joe at gmail.com <mailto:philosopher.joe at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Barely out of his teens? Again relevant for him but not Martin!?!
>
> On Jul 22, 2013, at 1:54 PM, Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com
> <mailto:bear at moscow.com>> wrote:
>
> 1st charge, "when he was barely out of his teens" : waived
> 2nd set of charges (Civil charge): mutual restraining orders
> 3rd charge: dismissed
>
>
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>
> On Jul 22, 2013, at 1:47 PM, Joe Campbell wrote:
>
> Here's some more information about Zimmerman. Domestic
> violence? Fighting with a police officer? How come no
> one called him a "thug"?
>
> http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/03/27/10894561-zimmerman-accused-of-domestic-violence-fighting-with-a-police-officer?lite
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Wayne Price
> <bear at moscow.com <mailto:bear at moscow.com>> wrote:
>
>
> Zimmerman helps family in car wreck
> <http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/22/us/florida-zimmerman-vehicle/index.html?hpt=hp_t1>
>
>
> * (CNN)* -- Four days after he was acquitted of
> murder, George Zimmerman stepped out of seclusion
> to help a family get out of an overturned
> vehicle in Florida, authorities said Monday.
> Zimmerman and another man helped four people get
> out of an SUV that had overturned Wednesday
> evening in Sanford -- the same community where the
> former neighborhood watch volunteer fatally shot
> unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin in 2012 --
> Seminole County Sheriff's Office spokeswoman
> Heather Smith said.
> Authorities were called after the SUV went off the
> road and rolled over in the area of Interstate 4
> and State Road 46. By the time a deputy arrived,
> Zimmerman and another man already had helped the
> two adults and two children out of the vehicle,
> Smith said.
> Zimmerman did not witness the crash, and he left
> after making contact with the deputy, Smith said.
> No injuries were reported.
> Zimmerman has been out of the public eye since a
> jury found him not guilty of second degree murder
> on July 13. His parents told ABC News last week
> that their family has received an "enormous amount
> of death threats."
> He fatally shot Martin in the Sanford neighborhood
> where Zimmerman and Martin's father lived in
> February 2012. Zimmerman, a Hispanic man, had a
> confrontation with the African-American teen after
> calling police to report a suspicious person, and
> he said he shot Martin in self-defense.
> The case became a flashpoint in debates over
> racial profiling, and thousands attended vigils
> across the country over the weekend, decrying the
> verdict.
>
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