[Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
Gary Crabtree
moscowlocksmith at gmail.com
Fri Jul 19 12:46:44 PDT 2013
I would agree that something was seriously wrong if it were true that any
kid could be shot and killed for objecting in a threatening way. It's
not. I do draw the line however when they object to the point of assault
with intent to commit bodily harm or death. At that point I have zero
problem with self defense.
g
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>wrote:
> Gary,
>
> I don't want to pick on Zimmerman. Other than some superficial
> understanding of the case, I know nothing about Mr. Zimmerman, no reason to
> think he's racist or whatever. I also think that, were I a juror, I might
> have found him innocent since -- as you note below -- there were no
> eyewitnesses and thus reasonable doubt about his guilt. Again, I have only
> a superficial understanding of the case.
>
> But the real story seems different than the one you tell below and based
> on my understanding of the story I would say it sounds as if Mr. Zimmerman
> is guilty of negligence leading to the death of a young man, at the very
> least. Again, given the stand-your-ground law it is unlikely he can be
> charged with anything.
>
> But that is what is so disturbing to me about the case. Likely Zimmerman
> violated no laws. Maybe Zimmerman is not a racist but of course there are a
> lot of racists. Maybe he didn't think Martin was suspicious because he was
> black but if you listen to the black men talking to Chris Matthews about
> their experiences in the link I posted yesterday stories of black men being
> suspected of wrongdoing merely because they are black are all too common.
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/19/chris-matthews-apologizes-black-colleagues-behalf-white-people_n_3622703.html
>
>
> So here is the situation we have now, given the Zimmerman result. A white
> man in Florida, armed with a gun, can get into a car and follow any black
> kid he wants. If the black kid objects in a threatening way he can shoot
> and kill him. Your tendency to disagree with anything that progressives and
> liberals say must be pretty strong for you to look at this story and not
> think that something is seriously wrong. Zimmerman is guilty of something,
> maybe not in the eyes of crazy Florida law but at least in some common
> sense moral way.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> When I used the term "self- righteous" it had nothing to do with the fact
>> you disagree with my position (that's a given) and everything to do with
>> the fact that you do so based upon nothing more then your apparently hyper
>> developed notion of how things ought to be. Forget judges, jury's,
>> witness's and Florida state law, Ms. Mix knows the score!
>>
>> So, here's the deal. Zimmerman, a guy with less than zero previous record
>> of animosity toward black people is driving in his neighborhood (which is
>> experiencing a major uptick in break ins) and spots what he believes is a
>> suspicious character. He dutifully notifies the local police and makesan effort to keep the guy in sight, provide a decent description when
>> asked, and tries to provide an accurate location for law enforcement to
>> come and handle the situation. Right up to this point Zimmerman is a gold
>> star citizen. When the guy gets out of his vehicle to keep the guy in sight
>> a telephone operator suggests that " he doesn't have to do that." Zimmerman
>> says OK. Nothing remotely resembling "direct disobedience of the Police
>> Department's orders." Next comes the unknown. We do know that Mr. Martin
>> was well aware that he was being followed and that he was less than 30
>> seconds away from the safety of his fathers girlfriends house. At "ten
>> years younger and fifty pounds lighter" it's a fairly safe bet that out
>> running Zimmerman would have been a lead pipe cinch. What actually happens
>> in the next few seconds neither you nor I can possibly know for an absolute
>> fact but, I do know that I am basing my thoughts on evidence presented and
>> the testimony of a man who was there whose explanation is not in
>> conflict with the evidence. Based upon nothing presented, you conclude
>> that our otherwise upright citizen is a liar and a wanton racist killer.
>> Your explanation for your quaint notion? None given.
>>
>> Stupid, facile, shameful, and evil? Considering the level of reasoning
>> you bring to this and other discussions, I guess I must be. Heck, how could
>> I be anything but?
>>
>> g
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I lament the fact that my having an opinion that is different from yours
>>> makes me "self righteous." Calling your comments "stupid" might not be the
>>> most righteous thing I've done this week, but it's what I think. If I
>>> erred, I erred in ascribing inanity to you, not evil. There IS a
>>> distinction, and I always like to give someone the benefit of the doubt.
>>> I've never found you to be an evil man, and I haven't ever thought you to
>>> be a stupid one. What you wrote, however, was shameful. I'm quite sure
>>> you can deal with my thinking so.
>>>
>>> You wrote:
>>> "Zimmerman's decisions may have been ill considered (following on foot
>>> if that is in fact what he did) but legal. Martin's decision to leap out of
>>> the bushes and assault a stranger instead of simply continuing on the
>>> seventy yard to his fathers girlfriends home was not."
>>>
>>> I truly mourn that you could write a paragraph, in analysis of the
>>> Zimmerman case, wherein you suggest -- groundlessly -- that the dead kid's
>>> actions in jumping out of a bush to assault the man who eventually shot and
>>> killed him were "illegal," as opposed to what you affirm is the legality of
>>> Zimmerman's actions. No one knows that Trayvon Martin jumped out of the
>>> bushes to harm the armed man who was stalking him in direct disobedience of
>>> the Police Department's orders, and who was not only armed but who was a
>>> decade older and some 50 lbs. heavier. If that scenario has lodged itself
>>> in your brain and those of others around you, I can assure you that it
>>> would not be the first time a guy who did something very bad, with the
>>> witness dead by his hand, conjured up a story more favorable than what
>>> happened -- or even what appeared to happen -- and got other folks to
>>> believe it. Bottom line, Gary, your contribution to this discussion was to
>>> say that the victim did something illegal and the assailant didn't.
>>>
>>> Unless you were there, tell me how you know. There is real horror in
>>> your suggestion that the kid shot to death in his own neighborhood somehow
>>> contributed to it by doing something, in your words, that was illegal. And
>>> from all the way up here on my moral, emotional high horse, I can tell you
>>> that stinks to high heaven.
>>>
>>> I may be the only one there tomorrow at 6 o'something at the Square to
>>> protest the verdict and the injustice of our justice system, but that's
>>> OK. I can promise you that I don't mind one bit looking silly and
>>> emotional and self-righteous when the alternative is silence in the face of
>>> a great wrong.
>>>
>>> Keely
>>>
>>>
>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 12:18:08 -0700
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
>>> From: moscowlocksmith at gmail.com
>>> To: siyocreo at live.com
>>>
>>> Civil and thoughtful what? Display of poorly focused emotional
>>> editorializing?
>>>
>>> Perhaps you would be able to climb down from horse on high to point out
>>> my
>>> factual errors rather then trying to simply be insulting. Second
>>> thought, don't
>>> bother. To attempting to pit the facts verses your feelings,imagination,
>>> and
>>> your grossly overdeveloped sense of self righteousness is sure to be the
>>> very
>>> definition of time ill spent.
>>>
>>> g
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm going to briefly abandon my attempts to civil and thoughtful for a
>>> moment and say, Gary, the only thing that I can muster in regard to your
>>> final paragraph:
>>>
>>> That's the most bizarre, facile, intellectually dishonest and frankly
>>> stupid analysis of this whole travesty I've ever heard.
>>>
>>> Keely
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 06:51:51 -0700
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
>>> From: moscowlocksmith at gmail.com
>>> To: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>>> CC: lfalen at turbonet.com; vision2020 at moscow.com; siyocreo at live.com
>>>
>>> I very strongly suspect that the likelihood of being jumped and beaten
>>> by one of the local seventeen year olds would be vanishingly small to
>>> the point that to bet otherwise would be to throw away cash.
>>>
>>> I have to imagine that it's fun for some to endlessly bang away at the
>>> "stalked the poor child" narrative but, an equally valid perspective would
>>> be that Zimmerman was performing a public service to his community by being
>>> involved in a neighborhood watch program and was in no way attempting to be
>>> surreptitious or covert in his attention to Martin's presence.
>>>
>>> Poor decisions were made by both Zimmerman and Martin. Zimmerman's
>>> decisions may have been ill considered (following on foot if that is in
>>> fact what he did) but legal. Martin's decision to leap out of the bushes
>>> and assault a stranger instead of simply continuing on the seventy yard to
>>> his fathers girlfriends home was not.
>>>
>>>
>>> g
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> The best point to make is not that Zimmerman was racist, or that the
>>> jurors were racist. There is no basis for either assertion.
>>>
>>> That doesn't mean the case isn't symptomatic of a kind of persistent
>>> institutionalized racism. You say first reports were that Zimmerman
>>> attacked an unarmed kid. But that report turned out to be false.
>>>
>>> How is it false? He was 17 and unarmed. Say what you want but Zimmerman
>>> stalked then shot and killed an unarmed 17-year-old boy who was merely
>>> walking around his own neighborhood. How could you not feel outrage?
>>>
>>> Why don't you drive around the streets of Moscow and follow all the
>>> 17-year-old kids you see. See what happens. There seems to be a kind of
>>> wreckless negligence on the part of Zimmerman, if nothing else.
>>>
>>> On Jul 17, 2013, at 6:27 PM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Just a few comments.
>>> From the first reports out it appeared that Zimmerman had unjustly
>>> attacked and unarmed kid. A picture was shown of a 12 year old Trayvon.
>>> This report turned out to be false. Ziommerman is not a monster or a saint.
>>> He was a mentor for black kids and he took a black girl to the prom. He
>>> obviously is not a racist. This was an unfortunate event where both have
>>> some responsibility. We are a nation of laws. On the bases of the evidence,
>>> the jury had no choice but to acquit. There have been many cases where
>>> whites has have killed blacks due to racial hatred and they should have
>>> been executed for it. Just two example are Emmett Till and the three Civil
>>> Rights workers. This case is entirely different.
>>> Roger
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>>> To: "Saundra Lund" <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
>>> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com, "Keely Emerine-Mix" <siyocreo at live.com>
>>> Date: 07/15/13 18:29
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
>>>
>>> A few points.
>>>
>>> On 07/15/2013 05:36 PM, Saundra Lund wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> No, Paul – *you* are missing the point. Make as many excuses about
>>> Zimmerman’s “recklessness” as you want, but that doesn’t change the *
>>> fact* that an innocent child who was doing *nothing wrong* is now dead
>>> because *he* (Trayvon) decided to exercise *his* right to defind *
>>> himself* against the deadly menace named George Zimmerman.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Make no mistake about it: Zimmerman was *stalking* this child the way
>>> a cat stalks a bird.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In Zimmerman's version of events, he was trying to keep tabs on him
>>> until the police got there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And, make no mistake about it: Trayvon Martin’s death was unjust. It
>>> is *absolutely unjust* when an innocent child doing not a thing in the
>>> world wrong winds up dead because a nut with an indisputable chip on his
>>> shoulder has a gun, and the injustice is further magnified when the killer
>>> escapes punishment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> He was acquitted in a court of law, because there wasn't enough evidence
>>> to convict him. So what do you propose? Throw the rule of law aside for
>>> this one case where you're sure he's guilty somehow?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Trayvon had every right to “stand his ground” against a gun-carrying
>>> whacko who had already been told by LE *not* to follow the victim. Any
>>> man, woman, or child of *any* color with connected brain cells would
>>> feel threatened being stalked at night by an unknown dangerous creep like
>>> Zimmerman.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Martin had no way of knowing that Zimmerman had a gun, and didn't find
>>> out until after he was fighting him.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And, if you don’t Get why folks are rightly upset that a monster like
>>> Zimmerman gets a free criminal pass for killing an innocent child and why
>>> they want to organize a vigil – or millions of vigils -- in Trayvon
>>> Martin’s honor, then I don’t know what to say other than I pity you and
>>> your lack of humanity.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You have the nerve to call Zimmerman a "monster", and berate me for
>>> being subjective at the same time? And why do you always assume that if I
>>> disagree with you that I "lack humanity"? I know myself, and could give a
>>> crap if you know how much "humanity" I have.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Finally, why don’t you just give it a rest? Your biased explanation of
>>> why you felt the verdict was just was fine & mildly interesting, even
>>> though you included a lot of subjective speculation supporting your bias I
>>> guess you hoped we’d miss (LOL – too bad for you, I didn’t miss your
>>> selective subjectivity).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm getting the idea that "bias" means "disagrees with Saundra", but I
>>> could be wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But, how about losing the arrogance that makes you think causes you
>>> don’t care about aren’t worthy, and how about losing the hubris that makes
>>> you think it appropriate to tell others where they should be directing
>>> their energies? If you want to organize or get out there & protest for
>>> your list of causes, have at it! No one is stopping you or suggesting you
>>> should be directing your focus elsewhere.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just trying to inject a little rationality into what appears to be yet
>>> another witch hunt. A pastime I find enjoyable sometimes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why, then, you do feel the need to chide others who *do* care – and
>>> care deeply – about the completely preventable tragic death of an innocent
>>> child at the hands of a lunatic vigilante?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That death could have been prevented two ways. Zimmerman could have
>>> left him alone after he'd done his job, and Martin could have not fought
>>> him. It's one of those real-life thingys where it's never as black and
>>> white (no pun intended) as people would like to believe.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Saundra
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [
>>> mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com <vision2020-bounces at moscow.com>] *On
>>> Behalf Of* Paul Rumelhart
>>> *Sent:* Monday, July 15, 2013 1:37 PM
>>> *To:* Keely Emerine-Mix; vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
>>>
>>>
>>> The problem as I see it, Keely, is that you want it to be an injustice.
>>> You want it to be about the innocent black kid that was gunned down by the
>>> armed white man for no reason other than he was black. Facts to the
>>> contrary be damned. It's a nice story, but just remember that that's what
>>> it is: a story.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From:* Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com> <siyocreo at live.com>
>>> *To:* "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> <vision2020 at moscow.com> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, July 15, 2013 1:10 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom, be there Friday at 6, tell everyone you know, bring whatever
>>> microphone you can, and I'll see you there. I don't care how many people
>>> show up. I care very much that I myself not be silent in the face of such
>>> an injustice.
>>>
>>> Keely
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>>
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>>> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
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>>> > 1. Re: Trayvon Martin rally? (Tom Hansen)
>>> > 2. Re: Trayvon Martin rally? (Scott Dredge)
>>> > 3. Re: Trayvon Martin rally? (Paul Rumelhart)
>>> >
>>> >
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>>> >
>>> > Message: 1
>>> > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:28:21 -0700
>>> > From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> <thansen at moscow.com>
>>> > To: Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com> <siyocreo at live.com>
>>> > Cc: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
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>>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trayvon Martin rally?
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>>> > I am with you 1,000,000,000 . . . %, Keely.
>>> >
>>> > Please let me know what I, or Moscow Cares, can do to make this rally
>>> a reality, and consider it done.
>>> >
>>> > Come on, V-Peeps. GIVE A DAMN !
>>> >
>>> > Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>> >
>>> > "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>>> > http://www.MoscowCares.com
>>> >
>>> > Tom Hansen
>>> > Moscow, Idaho
>>> >
>>> > "There's room at the top they are telling you still
>>> > But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
>>> > If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>>> >
>>> > - John Lennon
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Jul 15, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com><siyocreo at live.com>wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Visionaires,
>>> > >
>>> > > I've been out of town for two weeks so I don't know if there's a
>>> rally or anything scheduled on the Palouse in support of the Trayvon Martin
>>> family and to express outrage at the verdict. If not, I'd suggest 6 p.m.
>>> Friday at Friendship Square. Please either inform me of something
>>> previously planned, or pass this around. I'd be willing to speak and I know
>>> others of you would, too.
>>> > >
>>> > > This saddens and angers me beyond measure. We have to speak out.
>>> > >
>>> > > Love,
>>> > > Keely
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
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>>> > Message: 2
>>> > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 12:31:27 -0600
>>> > From: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
>>> > To: Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com> <siyocreo at live.com>, viz
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>>> > What would be the point? It was very controversial to bring George
>>> Zimmerman to trial in the first place. He was acquitted. Not even a hung
>>> jury. Outright full acquittal.
>>> >
>>> > I hate sounding like a broken record but for whatever reason I can't
>>> seem to get a basic point across that ***we do not have system of mob
>>> rule***. If we did, Zimmerman would have already been lynched without due
>>> process long ago. Would that be less of an outrage?
>>> >
>>> > -Scott
>>> >
>>> > From: siyocreo at live.com
>>> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>> > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:18:06 -0700
>>> > Subject: [Vision2020] Trayvon Martin rally?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Visionaires,
>>> >
>>> > I've been out of town for two weeks so I don't know if there's a rally
>>> or anything scheduled on the Palouse in support of the Trayvon Martin
>>> family and to express outrage at the verdict. If not, I'd suggest 6 p.m.
>>> Friday at Friendship Square. Please either inform me of something
>>> previously planned, or pass this around. I'd be willing to speak and I know
>>> others of you would, too.
>>> >
>>> > This saddens and angers me beyond measure. We have to speak out.
>>> >
>>> > Love,
>>> > Keely
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>> >
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>>> > Message: 3
>>> > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:44:05 -0700 (PDT)
>>> > From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>>> > To: Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com> <siyocreo at live.com>,
>>> "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> > <vision2020 at moscow.com> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trayvon Martin rally?
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>>> >
>>> > Keely,
>>> >
>>> > Did you look at the evidence?? I don't see how the jury could have
>>> done any differently.? Zimmerman was using the "self-defense" defense, and
>>> there was enough evidence of that to provide reasonable doubt (his
>>> injuries, the witness who saw the guy in the white sweater beating on the
>>> guy in the red sweater, the inability to determine who was shouting for
>>> help).? According to Zimmerman, Martin saw his weapon and they fought for
>>> it and Zimmerman ended up shooting him in the chest.? Since Martin isn't
>>> around to give his side of events (conveniently, I know) and since there is
>>> no evidence to disprove this, they pretty much had to acquit.? In my
>>> opinion, of course.? To prove second degree murder, they would have to
>>> disprove the self-defense defense and show that he was unhinged enough to
>>> take this opportunity to go kill Martin.? I haven't seen any evidence of
>>> that, either.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > The media has worked hard to make this about race, but there was no
>>> indication I saw that Zimmerman was racially motivated.? If anything,
>>> Martin was the one framing everything by race.? NBC had to resort to
>>> editing the 9-1-1 tape to make it look like it was racially motivated, but
>>> the real 9-1-1 tape doesn't appear to show this (at least what I've heard
>>> of it).?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > If you want to get out there and protest something, I recommend
>>> protesting what NBC did when editing the 9-1-1 tape in an attempt to ignite
>>> racial tensions.? Or protest what the NSA has been doing.? Or protest the
>>> drone strikes or the secret courts or the secret reasoning for gathering
>>> information on everyone that can't be revealed.? Or protest how the US is
>>> going after Snowden so hard instead of cleaning house.?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Don't be distracted by this media circus.
>>> >
>>> > Paul
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ________________________________
>>> > From: Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com> <siyocreo at live.com>
>>> > To: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> <vision2020 at moscow.com> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 11:18 AM
>>> > Subject: [Vision2020] Trayvon Martin rally?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Visionaires,
>>> >
>>> > I've been out of town for two weeks so I don't know if there's a rally
>>> or anything scheduled on the Palouse in support of the Trayvon Martin
>>> family and to express outrage at the verdict.? If not, I'd suggest 6 p.m.
>>> Friday at Friendship Square.? Please either inform me of something
>>> previously planned, or pass this around.? I'd be willing to speak and I
>>> know others of you would, too.
>>> >
>>> > This saddens and angers me beyond measure.? We have to speak out.
>>> >
>>> > Love,
>>> > Keely
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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