[Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
Tom Hansen
thansen at moscow.com
Fri Jul 19 08:45:10 PDT 2013
This, in my opinion, reflects what should have happened.
Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
"Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
http://www.MoscowCares.com
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
"There's room at the top they are telling you still
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
- John Lennon
On Jul 19, 2013, at 8:19 AM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
> http://vimeo.com/fiorecartoons/george-zimmerman-off-the-hook
>
> Interesting take. Joe
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>> Let me see if I have this right.
>>
>> The Facts as We Know Them . . .
>>
>> George Zimmerman, an armed 28-year old neighborhood watch, follows, shoots and kills Trayvon Martin, a 17-year old boy (armed with Skittles) who lives in the neighborhood in which he was killed.
>>
>> Anything beyond these facts is pure conjecture from either side of the argument. No other witnesses other than George Zimmerman were physically present, other than . . .
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>> Seeya at the rally, Moscow, because . . .
>>
>> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>>
>> Tom Hansen
>> Moscow, Idaho
>>
>> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
>> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
>> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>>
>> - John Lennon
>>
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>> On Jul 19, 2013, at 6:52 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>> I'm not holding rallies to tout my scenario to the masses, just putting it up there as a counter-point to a media-driven politically-fueled mindset that may end up with another death in what is already a terrible tragedy.
>>>
>>> I guess the white (hispanic, whatever) guy can never be a victim himself.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>>> To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>>> Cc: "scooterd408 at hotmail com" <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>; "siyocreo at live com" <siyocreo at live.com>; "moscowlocksmith at gmail com" <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>; "vision2020 at moscow com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 4:32 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
>>>
>>> You don't see any possible harm in continuing to promote Zimmerman as if he did nothing wrong? A world with MORE folks acting like Zimmerman is a better world? My point is that taking the law into your own hand is wrong, that is what Zimmerman did wrong. Not sure how that attitude encourages harm against Zimmerman.
>>>
>>> On Jul 18, 2013, at 8:12 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about you, but when no one knows the truth I don't like to make up scenarios that get this guy death threats without actual evidence. It appears to me to be irresponsible.
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>;
>>>> To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>;
>>>> Cc: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>; Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>; Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>; viz <vision2020 at moscow.com>;
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
>>>> Sent: Thu, Jul 18, 2013 10:56:31 PM
>>>>
>>>> Paul,
>>>>
>>>> Anything is possible. It is possible that you are in the Matrix world.
>>>>
>>>> What I don't understand is why you let loose the possibilities when it affects your beliefs but you hold them tight when it goes against those beliefs.
>>>>
>>>> In truth, I can understand your point. I'm not trying to condemn Zimmerman. He was naive and because of that got caught up in an unfortunate situation. But let's be fair about this situation. A young man, perhaps aggressive (unlike most young men?!?) but nonetheless walking in his neighborhood was stalked and shot and killed.
>>>>
>>>> You pretend to be in favor of freedom but if a black man is not free to walk around in his own neighborhood without being stalked and then shot then WTF. Freedom doesn't mean squat.
>>>>
>>>> Best, Joe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> This is what I don't get. You write "There should have been more evidence and why there wasn't is a story that, in part, touches on institutional racism." Isn't it possible that they didn't have more evidence of second degree murder because it simply didn't exist, and that your preconceived notions about him are wrong? One could even call them "racist", because if the evidence doesn't actually exist you are assuming that it is there because you are assuming he was targeting blacks. That's called reaching a conclusion before all the facts are in.
>>>>
>>>> You also write "Not to mention that Zimmerman likely would not have been following around a white kid who lived in the neighborhood." How could you possibly know this? Hell, Zimmerman didn't even self-identify as "white". Wouldn't he, in his gung-ho neighborhood watch kind of way, be targeting anyone he didn't know? I've seen no evidence that Zimmerman was motivated even partly by race in this, but I see it assumed all over the damned place. To the tune of credible death threats to both himself and his parents.
>>>>
>>>> The guy was found not guilty in a court of law. Shouldn't that be the end of it?
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>>>> To: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
>>>> Cc: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>; Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>; Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>; viz <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 2:59 PM
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
>>>>
>>>> I appreciate your contributions on this, Scott.
>>>>
>>>> What Roger is missing in the previous post is that I'm not condemning the jurors. I think there was a failure in the justice system -- broadly construed -- that was essentially racist, if we want to be honest about it. But I don't think the failure was with the verdict. Given the laws, given the evidence, likely the verdict was correct.
>>>>
>>>> And here is a positive thing about all this -- that I think you'll like too, Scott: the justice system -- narrowly construed -- for all its criticisms, might be just fine; given the evidence, they made the right decision. There should have been more evidence and why there wasn't is a story that, in part, touches on institutional racism.
>>>>
>>>> Not to mention that Zimmerman likely would not have been following around a white kid who lived in the neighborhood.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> My Tuesday morning quarterback analysis of this would be that in the heat of the moment neither Zimmerman nor Martin were thinking rationally. I disagree with Gary about 'Martin's decision' but wouldn't call that opinion 'stupid'. My guess is that Martin eventually went into 'fight or flight' type of mindset once he realized he was being tracked. He's only 17 years old, he wouldn't have much real world experience in diffusing confrontations. Once this kind of situation escalated to the point where there both scrapping, I'd expect adrenaline rushes and survival instincts to be kicking in with both of them. They were fighting. All bets are off at this point with the edge going to Zimmerman since he would was aware that he was in possession of a gun.
>>>>
>>>> -Scott
>>>>
>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 12:06:11 -0700
>>>> From: godshatter at yahoo.com
>>>> To: siyocreo at live.com; moscowlocksmith at gmail.com; philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>>>> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
>>>>
>>>> I don't see where you are coming from, Keely. You are responding to this paragraph, right?
>>>>
>>>> "Poor decisions were made by both Zimmerman and Martin. Zimmerman's decisions may have been ill considered (following on foot if that is in fact what he did) but legal. Martin's decision to leap out of the bushes and assault a stranger instead of simply continuing on the seventy yard to his fathers girlfriends home was not."
>>>>
>>>> Where is the intellectual dishonesty? Why do you think this analysis is "stupid"?
>>>>
>>>> Someone leaving their vehicle and walking down a sidewalk behind someone else is not, in fact, illegal. Neither is following him in an SUV while talking to the police. It was probably not a brilliant idea on Zimmerman's part, but not illegal. If Zimmerman's account is correct, Martin confronted him, knocked him to the ground with a punch to the nose, and continued to beat his head into the pavement for about a minute. We don't know for certain, of course, that what Zimmerman says is true, but it seems to be supported by the evidence. He had a broken nose, cuts on the back of his head, and bruises on his face. When the police played an audio recording of the screams during the event for Martin's father, he was asked if he thought it was his son screaming. He replied "no". When they played the recording for Zimmerman's father, he replied that he thought it was his son and that he sounded like he was screaming for his life.
>>>>
>>>> Confronting someone and knocking him to the ground and then pummeling him with blows crosses a definite line. Zimmerman claims that he was trying to move back off the concrete when Martin saw his gun. He then allegedly told Zimmerman that he was "going to die tonight". That's when he shot him.
>>>>
>>>> As I said before, it appears that the "white guy stalks and then guns down a defenseless black child" meme doesn't fit this case. Martin could have avoided a confrontation simply by continuing to walk home to his dad's girlfriend's place. I agree with the jury that there was no evidence for second degree murder, certainly not beyond a reasonable doubt.
>>>>
>>>> Just forget how the media wants to portray this event, and think about this possible scenario:
>>>>
>>>> Zimmerman is tired of a spate of recent burglaries in his community, and wants to do something about it. He joins the local neighborhood watch. He does what you should do on the neighborhood watch, he phones anything he sees as suspicious in to the police.
>>>>
>>>> Now comes the night in question. He sees a teenager walking through the neighborhood in the rain in the dark wearing black clothes and a black hoodie that covers his face. He does what he has always done at this point, he calls it in. He follows him to keep tabs on where he is until the police get there. When they ask him his location, he can't tell them precisely. Maybe because it's dark and rainy outside and he hasn't been paying attention to his exact location as he tries to keep him in sight. So he gets out of his SUV, walks down the block until he can see a street sign, and then starts to walk back to his vehicle. He is then confronted by Martin, a confrontation he tries to avoid, and he gets attacked. He's on the ground, Martin is straddling him, punching him in the face and causing his head to get smashed into the sidewalk. Zimmerman, still trying to get away rather than fight, tries to scooch back to the grass so that his head isn't getting smashed into the concrete anymore. In doing so, his clothes get disheveled and his concealed weapon shows. Martin threatens his life, and Zimmerman (probably fearing that he's going to go for his gun) shoots him.
>>>>
>>>> The police arrive, do a little investigating, and determine that there is no case for further charges that they think could stick, so they let him go. The resulting media frenzy ensues, and he now has a $10,000 reward on his life courtesy of the New Black Panthers. Spike Lee, thinking he knew where he was staying, tweets his location only to send the elderly couple that lived there fleeing for their lives. Zimmerman is in hiding, can't go to work, and fears for his life on a daily basis. The police, shamed in public by basically everyone, bring charges after all. People all across the country think he stalked the poor kid and shot him, when he was just trying to find out exactly where he was.
>>>>
>>>> Now he is acquitted at trial, and people still think he's some kind of wannabee serial killer of small black children or something. People like Saundra call him a "monster". Rallies are held around the country, some of them quite violent.
>>>>
>>>> This is Zimmerman's story, which is routinely tossed aside by those who wish to follow the media's take on things. From my perspective, it's at least as plausible as the story of him being racially motivated to gun that kid down. It appears to be consistent with the evidence. It's a story that comes directly from the only living witness to the event.
>>>>
>>>> Do I know what happened, exactly, that night? No, I don't. But neither does anyone else save Zimmerman himself.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>
>>>> To: Gary Crabtree <moscowlocksmith at gmail.com>; Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 10:51 AM
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to briefly abandon my attempts to civil and thoughtful for a moment and say, Gary, the only thing that I can muster in regard to your final paragraph:
>>>>
>>>> That's the most bizarre, facile, intellectually dishonest and frankly stupid analysis of this whole travesty I've ever heard.
>>>>
>>>> Keely
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 06:51:51 -0700
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
>>>> From: moscowlocksmith at gmail.com
>>>> To: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>>>> CC: lfalen at turbonet.com; vision2020 at moscow.com; siyocreo at live.com
>>>>
>>>> I very strongly suspect that the likelihood of being jumped and beaten by one of the local seventeen year olds would be vanishingly small to the point that to bet otherwise would be to throw away cash.
>>>>
>>>> I have to imagine that it's fun for some to endlessly bang away at the "stalked the poor child" narrative but, an equally valid perspective would be that Zimmerman was performing a public service to his community by being involved in a neighborhood watch program and was in no way attempting to be surreptitious or covert in his attention to Martin's presence.
>>>>
>>>> Poor decisions were made by both Zimmerman and Martin. Zimmerman's decisions may have been ill considered (following on foot if that is in fact what he did) but legal. Martin's decision to leap out of the bushes and assault a stranger instead of simply continuing on the seventy yard to his fathers girlfriends home was not.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> g
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> The best point to make is not that Zimmerman was racist, or that the jurors were racist. There is no basis for either assertion.
>>>>
>>>> That doesn't mean the case isn't symptomatic of a kind of persistent institutionalized racism. You say first reports were that Zimmerman attacked an unarmed kid. But that report turned out to be false.
>>>>
>>>> How is it false? He was 17 and unarmed. Say what you want but Zimmerman stalked then shot and killed an unarmed 17-year-old boy who was merely walking around his own neighborhood. How could you not feel outrage?
>>>>
>>>> Why don't you drive around the streets of Moscow and follow all the 17-year-old kids you see. See what happens. There seems to be a kind of wreckless negligence on the part of Zimmerman, if nothing else.
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 17, 2013, at 6:27 PM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just a few comments.
>>>> From the first reports out it appeared that Zimmerman had unjustly attacked and unarmed kid. A picture was shown of a 12 year old Trayvon. This report turned out to be false. Ziommerman is not a monster or a saint. He was a mentor for black kids and he took a black girl to the prom. He obviously is not a racist. This was an unfortunate event where both have some responsibility. We are a nation of laws. On the bases of the evidence, the jury had no choice but to acquit. There have been many cases where whites has have killed blacks due to racial hatred and they should have been executed for it. Just two example are Emmett Till and the three Civil Rights workers. This case is entirely different.
>>>> Roger
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: "Saundra Lund" <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
>>>> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com, "Keely Emerine-Mix" <siyocreo at live.com>
>>>> Date: 07/15/13 18:29
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
>>>>
>>>> A few points.
>>>>
>>>> On 07/15/2013 05:36 PM, Saundra Lund wrote:
>>>>
>>>> No, Paul – you are missing the point. Make as many excuses about Zimmerman’s “recklessness” as you want, but that doesn’t change the fact that an innocent child who was doing nothing wrong is now dead because he (Trayvon) decided to exercise his right to defind himself against the deadly menace named George Zimmerman.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Make no mistake about it: Zimmerman was stalking this child the way a cat stalks a bird.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In Zimmerman's version of events, he was trying to keep tabs on him until the police got there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And, make no mistake about it: Trayvon Martin’s death was unjust. It is absolutely unjust when an innocent child doing not a thing in the world wrong winds up dead because a nut with an indisputable chip on his shoulder has a gun, and the injustice is further magnified when the killer escapes punishment.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He was acquitted in a court of law, because there wasn't enough evidence to convict him. So what do you propose? Throw the rule of law aside for this one case where you're sure he's guilty somehow?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Trayvon had every right to “stand his ground” against a gun-carrying whacko who had already been told by LE not to follow the victim. Any man, woman, or child of any color with connected brain cells would feel threatened being stalked at night by an unknown dangerous creep like Zimmerman.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Martin had no way of knowing that Zimmerman had a gun, and didn't find out until after he was fighting him.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And, if you don’t Get why folks are rightly upset that a monster like Zimmerman gets a free criminal pass for killing an innocent child and why they want to organize a vigil – or millions of vigils -- in Trayvon Martin’s honor, then I don’t know what to say other than I pity you and your lack of humanity.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You have the nerve to call Zimmerman a "monster", and berate me for being subjective at the same time? And why do you always assume that if I disagree with you that I "lack humanity"? I know myself, and could give a crap if you know how much "humanity" I have.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Finally, why don’t you just give it a rest? Your biased explanation of why you felt the verdict was just was fine & mildly interesting, even though you included a lot of subjective speculation supporting your bias I guess you hoped we’d miss (LOL – too bad for you, I didn’t miss your selective subjectivity).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm getting the idea that "bias" means "disagrees with Saundra", but I could be wrong.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But, how about losing the arrogance that makes you think causes you don’t care about aren’t worthy, and how about losing the hubris that makes you think it appropriate to tell others where they should be directing their energies? If you want to organize or get out there & protest for your list of causes, have at it! No one is stopping you or suggesting you should be directing your focus elsewhere.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just trying to inject a little rationality into what appears to be yet another witch hunt. A pastime I find enjoyable sometimes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why, then, you do feel the need to chide others who do care – and care deeply – about the completely preventable tragic death of an innocent child at the hands of a lunatic vigilante?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That death could have been prevented two ways. Zimmerman could have left him alone after he'd done his job, and Martin could have not fought him. It's one of those real-life thingys where it's never as black and white (no pun intended) as people would like to believe.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Saundra
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rumelhart
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 1:37 PM
>>>> To: Keely Emerine-Mix; vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
>>>>
>>>> The problem as I see it, Keely, is that you want it to be an injustice. You want it to be about the innocent black kid that was gunned down by the armed white man for no reason other than he was black. Facts to the contrary be damned. It's a nice story, but just remember that that's what it is: a story.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>
>>>> To: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 1:10 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tom, be there Friday at 6, tell everyone you know, bring whatever microphone you can, and I'll see you there. I don't care how many people show up. I care very much that I myself not be silent in the face of such an injustice.
>>>>
>>>> Keely
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>>>
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>>>> > 1. Re: Trayvon Martin rally? (Tom Hansen)
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>>>> > 3. Re: Trayvon Martin rally? (Paul Rumelhart)
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>>>> > Message: 1
>>>> > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:28:21 -0700
>>>> > From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
>>>> > To: Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>
>>>> > Cc: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>, Jeanne McHale
>>>> > <jeannemchale at hotmail.com>, Fritz Knorr <fritzknorr at gmail.com>, LGBTQA
>>>> > Office <lgbtoffice at uidaho.edu>, "UI Human Rights, Access & Inclusion"
>>>> > <csuarez at uidaho.edu>
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trayvon Martin rally?
>>>> > Message-ID: <21BCEC70-D46E-4829-B922-24FA74223826 at moscow.com>
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>>>> > I am with you 1,000,000,000 . . . %, Keely.
>>>> >
>>>> > Please let me know what I, or Moscow Cares, can do to make this rally a reality, and consider it done.
>>>> >
>>>> > Come on, V-Peeps. GIVE A DAMN !
>>>> >
>>>> > Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>>>> >
>>>> > "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
>>>> > http://www.MoscowCares.com
>>>> >
>>>> > Tom Hansen
>>>> > Moscow, Idaho
>>>> >
>>>> > "There's room at the top they are telling you still
>>>> > But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
>>>> > If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>>>> >
>>>> > - John Lennon
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Jul 15, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > Visionaires,
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I've been out of town for two weeks so I don't know if there's a rally or anything scheduled on the Palouse in support of the Trayvon Martin family and to express outrage at the verdict. If not, I'd suggest 6 p.m. Friday at Friendship Square. Please either inform me of something previously planned, or pass this around. I'd be willing to speak and I know others of you would, too.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > This saddens and angers me beyond measure. We have to speak out.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Love,
>>>> > > Keely
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
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>>>> > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 12:31:27 -0600
>>>> > From: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
>>>> > To: Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>, viz <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trayvon Martin rally?
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>>>> > What would be the point? It was very controversial to bring George Zimmerman to trial in the first place. He was acquitted. Not even a hung jury. Outright full acquittal.
>>>> >
>>>> > I hate sounding like a broken record but for whatever reason I can't seem to get a basic point across that ***we do not have system of mob rule***. If we did, Zimmerman would have already been lynched without due process long ago. Would that be less of an outrage?
>>>> >
>>>> > -Scott
>>>> >
>>>> > From: siyocreo at live.com
>>>> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:18:06 -0700
>>>> > Subject: [Vision2020] Trayvon Martin rally?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Visionaires,
>>>> >
>>>> > I've been out of town for two weeks so I don't know if there's a rally or anything scheduled on the Palouse in support of the Trayvon Martin family and to express outrage at the verdict. If not, I'd suggest 6 p.m. Friday at Friendship Square. Please either inform me of something previously planned, or pass this around. I'd be willing to speak and I know others of you would, too.
>>>> >
>>>> > This saddens and angers me beyond measure. We have to speak out.
>>>> >
>>>> > Love,
>>>> > Keely
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>>> >
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>>>> > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:44:05 -0700 (PDT)
>>>> > From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>>>> > To: Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>, "vision2020 at moscow.com"
>>>> > <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trayvon Martin rally?
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>>>> > Keely,
>>>> >
>>>> > Did you look at the evidence?? I don't see how the jury could have done any differently.? Zimmerman was using the "self-defense" defense, and there was enough evidence of that to provide reasonable doubt (his injuries, the witness who saw the guy in the white sweater beating on the guy in the red sweater, the inability to determine who was shouting for help).? According to Zimmerman, Martin saw his weapon and they fought for it and Zimmerman ended up shooting him in the chest.? Since Martin isn't around to give his side of events (conveniently, I know) and since there is no evidence to disprove this, they pretty much had to acquit.? In my opinion, of course.? To prove second degree murder, they would have to disprove the self-defense defense and show that he was unhinged enough to take this opportunity to go kill Martin.? I haven't seen any evidence of that, either.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > The media has worked hard to make this about race, but there was no indication I saw that Zimmerman was racially motivated.? If anything, Martin was the one framing everything by race.? NBC had to resort to editing the 9-1-1 tape to make it look like it was racially motivated, but the real 9-1-1 tape doesn't appear to show this (at least what I've heard of it).?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > If you want to get out there and protest something, I recommend protesting what NBC did when editing the 9-1-1 tape in an attempt to ignite racial tensions.? Or protest what the NSA has been doing.? Or protest the drone strikes or the secret courts or the secret reasoning for gathering information on everyone that can't be revealed.? Or protest how the US is going after Snowden so hard instead of cleaning house.?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Don't be distracted by this media circus.
>>>> >
>>>> > Paul
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ________________________________
>>>> > From: Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>
>>>> > To: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>> > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 11:18 AM
>>>> > Subject: [Vision2020] Trayvon Martin rally?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Visionaires,
>>>> >
>>>> > I've been out of town for two weeks so I don't know if there's a rally or anything scheduled on the Palouse in support of the Trayvon Martin family and to express outrage at the verdict.? If not, I'd suggest 6 p.m. Friday at Friendship Square.? Please either inform me of something previously planned, or pass this around.? I'd be willing to speak and I know others of you would, too.
>>>> >
>>>> > This saddens and angers me beyond measure.? We have to speak out.
>>>> >
>>>> > Love,
>>>> > Keely
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>>> >
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