[Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
Scott Dredge
scooterd408 at hotmail.com
Wed Jul 17 23:53:16 PDT 2013
I think Roger is implying is that the MSM repeatedly showing the picture
of a 12-year old Trayvon gave the public an impression that a 12-year
old boy had been gunned down and that this caused emotions to run very
high from the start. The 'killing of a 12-year old' was false. And
maybe had these pictures not been run from the outset, there wouldn't
have been such a media circus surround this case. Then again, had there
not been a media circus, maybe no charges would have ever been pressed
against Zimmerman and thus he may have never faced prosecution and a
trial by jury.
The reality was a 17 year old boy was gunned
down. And I agree that it is outrageous. It's heartbreaking. I don't
disagree that Zimmerman stalked and shot and killed an unarmed 17 year
old boy. That's a fact. If I was on a jury and had blinders on and
this was the only fact I had to go on plus a charge of 2nd degree
murder, I guess I would wonder why the charge wasn't 1st degree murder
due to the stalking aspect, but absent any other information, I'd vote
guilty. However, given the proverbial 'rest of the story' with
Zimmerman on neighborhood watch, numerous break ins the neighborhood,
him calling 911 before the confrontation, witness testimony, audio
evidence, etc., etc. etc., laws surrounding the charges of 2nd degree
murder & manslaughter, laws regarding self defense, etc., etc.,
etc., honestly I wouldn't be able to tell you if I would have voted
'guilty' or 'not guilty' since that vote can be swayed one way or the
other based on deliberation with other members of the jury. This is
precisely why juries deliberate with the goal of reaching unanimous
opinions on all charges put before them.
>From my very limited
knowledge of the actual trial, I still don't find 'reasonable doubt' to
be that unreasonable for jury members to have rendered a 'not guilty'
verdict on the charges they were faced with deciding. In my perfect
world of dealing with the aftermath of the killing of an unarmed boy, I
would have preferred that Zimmerman would have been found guilty of
*some crime* (reckless negligence maybe as you mentioned) and would have faced *some punishment* such that both
Trayvon supporters and Zimmerman supporters were equally unhappy with
the outcome and system of justice. And that changes would be made in
the training of neighborhood watchpeople, 911 operators, and laws (if
necessary) to prevent a similar tragedies and outcomes like this from
occurring again.
Instead, unfortunately this whole sad incident
has resulted in the snuffing out of a young life, pain for a lot of
people close to Trayvon, and a rather bizarre (IMO) situation of an 'us'
vs 'them' mentality between Trayvon supporters (liberals in general)
and Zimmerman supporters (conservatives in general). One says 'there's
no problem here' and the other side says 'this is a huge injustice!'.
And
with emotions running as high as they are are right now, there will be
much belly aching and political posturing, but my bet is that there will
be no change to anything and this mistake will just play itself out
again in the future. Just look what happened with the rallying cry of
banning semi-automatic weapons & 100 round magazine clips and
mandating background checks not so long ago. Squat happened. Status
quo. :(
-Scott
From: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 21:44:31 -0700
To: lfalen at turbonet.com
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com; siyocreo at live.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
The best point to make is not that Zimmerman was racist, or that the jurors were racist. There is no basis for either assertion.
That
doesn't mean the case isn't symptomatic of a kind of persistent
institutionalized racism. You say first reports were that Zimmerman
attacked an unarmed kid. But that report turned out to be false.
How
is it false? He was 17 and unarmed. Say what you want but Zimmerman
stalked then shot and killed an unarmed 17-year-old boy who was merely
walking around his own neighborhood. How could you not feel outrage?
Why
don't you drive around the streets of Moscow and follow all the
17-year-old kids you see. See what happens. There seems to be a kind of
wreckless negligence on the part of Zimmerman, if nothing else.
On Jul 17, 2013, at 6:27 PM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
Just a few comments.From
the first reports out it appeared that Zimmerman had unjustly attacked
and unarmed kid. A picture was shown of a 12 year old Trayvon. This
report turned out to be false. Ziommerman is not a monster or a saint.
He was a mentor for black kids and he took a black girl to the prom. He
obviously is not a racist. This was an unfortunate event where both have
some responsibility. We are a nation of laws. On the bases of the
evidence, the jury had no choice but to acquit. There have been many
cases where whites has have killed blacks due to racial hatred and they
should have been executed for it. Just two example are Emmett Till and
the three Civil Rights workers. This case is entirely different.Roger
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From: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
To: "Saundra Lund" <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com, "Keely Emerine-Mix" <siyocreo at live.com>
Date: 07/15/13 18:29
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
A few points.
On 07/15/2013 05:36 PM, Saundra Lund wrote:
No, Paul – you are missing the point. Make as many excuses about Zimmerman’s “recklessness” as you want, but that doesn’t change the fact that an innocent child who was doing nothing wrong is now dead because he (Trayvon) decided to exercise his right to defind himself against the deadly menace named George Zimmerman.
Make no mistake about it: Zimmerman was stalking this child the way a cat stalks a bird.
In Zimmerman's version of events, he was trying to keep tabs on him until the police got there.
And, make no mistake about it: Trayvon Martin’s death was unjust. It is absolutely unjust
when an innocent child doing not a thing in the world wrong winds up
dead because a nut with an indisputable chip on his shoulder has a gun,
and the injustice is further magnified when the killer escapes
punishment.
He was acquitted in a court of law, because there wasn't enough
evidence to convict him. So what do you propose? Throw the rule of law
aside for this one case where you're sure he's guilty somehow?
Trayvon had every right to “stand his ground” against a gun-carrying whacko who had already been told by LE not to follow the victim. Any man, woman, or child of any color with connected brain cells would feel threatened being stalked at night by an unknown dangerous creep like Zimmerman.
Martin had no way of knowing that Zimmerman had a gun, and didn't find out until after he was fighting him.
And,
if you don’t Get why folks are rightly upset that a monster like
Zimmerman gets a free criminal pass for killing an innocent child and
why they want to organize a vigil – or millions of vigils -- in Trayvon
Martin’s honor, then I don’t know what to say other than I pity you and
your lack of humanity.
You have the nerve to call Zimmerman a "monster", and berate me for
being subjective at the same time? And why do you always assume that if
I disagree with you that I "lack humanity"? I know myself, and could
give a crap if you know how much "humanity" I have.
Finally,
why don’t you just give it a rest? Your biased explanation of why you
felt the verdict was just was fine & mildly interesting, even though
you included a lot of subjective speculation supporting your bias I
guess you hoped we’d miss (LOL – too bad for you, I didn’t miss your
selective subjectivity).
I'm getting the idea that "bias" means "disagrees with Saundra", but I could be wrong.
But,
how about losing the arrogance that makes you think causes you don’t
care about aren’t worthy, and how about losing the hubris that makes you
think it appropriate to tell others where they should be directing
their energies? If you want to organize or get out there & protest
for your list of causes, have at it! No one is stopping you or
suggesting you should be directing your focus elsewhere.
Just trying to inject a little rationality into what appears to be
yet another witch hunt. A pastime I find enjoyable sometimes.
Why, then, you do feel the need to chide others who do
care – and care deeply – about the completely preventable tragic death
of an innocent child at the hands of a lunatic vigilante?
That death could have been prevented two ways. Zimmerman could have
left him alone after he'd done his job, and Martin could have not
fought him. It's one of those real-life thingys where it's never as
black and white (no pun intended) as people would like to believe.
Paul
Saundra
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rumelhart
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 1:37 PM
To: Keely Emerine-Mix; vision2020 at moscow.com
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The
problem as I see it, Keely, is that you want it to be an injustice.
You want it to be about the innocent black kid that was gunned down by
the armed white man for no reason other than he was black. Facts to the
contrary be damned. It's a nice story, but just remember that that's
what it is: a story.
Paul
From: Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>
To: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 1:10 PM
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Tom,
be there Friday at 6, tell everyone you know, bring whatever microphone
you can, and I'll see you there. I don't care how many people show
up. I care very much that I myself not be silent in the face of such an
injustice.
Keely
www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
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> I am with you 1,000,000,000 . . . %, Keely.
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> Please let me know what I, or Moscow Cares, can do to make this rally a reality, and consider it done.
>
> Come on, V-Peeps. GIVE A DAMN !
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
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> > Visionaires,
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> I've been out of town for two weeks so I don't know if there's a
rally or anything scheduled on the Palouse in support of the Trayvon
Martin family and to express outrage at the verdict. If not, I'd suggest
6 p.m. Friday at Friendship Square. Please either inform me of
something previously planned, or pass this around. I'd be willing to
speak and I know others of you would, too.
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What would be the point? It was very controversial to bring George
Zimmerman to trial in the first place. He was acquitted. Not even a hung
jury. Outright full acquittal.
>
> I hate sounding like a
broken record but for whatever reason I can't seem to get a basic point
across that ***we do not have system of mob rule***. If we did,
Zimmerman would have already been lynched without due process long ago.
Would that be less of an outrage?
>
> -Scott
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> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:18:06 -0700
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> Visionaires,
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I've been out of town for two weeks so I don't know if there's a rally
or anything scheduled on the Palouse in support of the Trayvon Martin
family and to express outrage at the verdict. If not, I'd suggest 6 p.m.
Friday at Friendship Square. Please either inform me of something
previously planned, or pass this around. I'd be willing to speak and I
know others of you would, too.
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> This saddens and angers me beyond measure. We have to speak out.
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> Love,
> Keely
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Did you look at the evidence?? I don't see how the jury could have done
any differently.? Zimmerman was using the "self-defense" defense, and
there was enough evidence of that to provide reasonable doubt (his
injuries, the witness who saw the guy in the white sweater beating on
the guy in the red sweater, the inability to determine who was shouting
for help).? According to Zimmerman, Martin saw his weapon and they
fought for it and Zimmerman ended up shooting him in the chest.? Since
Martin isn't around to give his side of events (conveniently, I know)
and since there is no evidence to disprove this, they pretty much had to
acquit.? In my opinion, of course.? To prove second degree murder, they
would have to disprove the self-defense defense and show that he was
unhinged enough to take this opportunity to go kill Martin.? I haven't
seen any evidence of that, either.
>
>
> The media has
worked hard to make this about race, but there was no indication I saw
that Zimmerman was racially motivated.? If anything, Martin was the one
framing everything by race.? NBC had to resort to editing the 9-1-1 tape
to make it look like it was racially motivated, but the real 9-1-1 tape
doesn't appear to show this (at least what I've heard of it).?
>
>
>
If you want to get out there and protest something, I recommend
protesting what NBC did when editing the 9-1-1 tape in an attempt to
ignite racial tensions.? Or protest what the NSA has been doing.? Or
protest the drone strikes or the secret courts or the secret reasoning
for gathering information on everyone that can't be revealed.? Or
protest how the US is going after Snowden so hard instead of cleaning
house.?
>
>
> Don't be distracted by this media circus.
>
> Paul
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>
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I've been out of town for two weeks so I don't know if there's a rally
or anything scheduled on the Palouse in support of the Trayvon Martin
family and to express outrage at the verdict.? If not, I'd suggest 6
p.m. Friday at Friendship Square.? Please either inform me of something
previously planned, or pass this around.? I'd be willing to speak and I
know others of you would, too.
>
> This saddens and angers me beyond measure.? We have to speak out.
>
> Love,
> Keely
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From: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 21:44:31 -0700
To: lfalen at turbonet.com
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com; siyocreo at live.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
The best point to make is not that Zimmerman was racist, or that the jurors were racist. There is no basis for either assertion.
That doesn't mean the case isn't symptomatic of a kind of persistent institutionalized racism. You say first reports were that Zimmerman attacked an unarmed kid. But that report turned out to be false.
How is it false? He was 17 and unarmed. Say what you want but Zimmerman stalked then shot and killed an unarmed 17-year-old boy who was merely walking around his own neighborhood. How could you not feel outrage?
Why don't you drive around the streets of Moscow and follow all the 17-year-old kids you see. See what happens. There seems to be a kind of wreckless negligence on the part of Zimmerman, if nothing else.
On Jul 17, 2013, at 6:27 PM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
Just a few comments.From the first reports out it appeared that Zimmerman had unjustly attacked and unarmed kid. A picture was shown of a 12 year old Trayvon. This report turned out to be false. Ziommerman is not a monster or a saint. He was a mentor for black kids and he took a black girl to the prom. He obviously is not a racist. This was an unfortunate event where both have some responsibility. We are a nation of laws. On the bases of the evidence, the jury had no choice but to acquit. There have been many cases where whites has have killed blacks due to racial hatred and they should have been executed for it. Just two example are Emmett Till and the three Civil Rights workers. This case is entirely different.Roger
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From: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
To: "Saundra Lund" <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com, "Keely Emerine-Mix" <siyocreo at live.com>
Date: 07/15/13 18:29
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 85, Issue 95
A few points.
On 07/15/2013 05:36 PM, Saundra Lund wrote:
No, Paul – you are missing the point. Make as many excuses about Zimmerman’s “recklessness” as you want, but that doesn’t change the fact that an innocent child who was doing nothing wrong is now dead because he (Trayvon) decided to exercise his right to defind himself against the deadly menace named George Zimmerman.
Make no mistake about it: Zimmerman was stalking this child the way a cat stalks a bird.
In Zimmerman's version of events, he was trying to keep tabs on him until the police got there.
And, make no mistake about it: Trayvon Martin’s death was unjust. It is absolutely unjust when an innocent child doing not a thing in the world wrong winds up dead because a nut with an indisputable chip on his shoulder has a gun, and the injustice is further magnified when the killer escapes punishment.
He was acquitted in a court of law, because there wasn't enough evidence to convict him. So what do you propose? Throw the rule of law aside for this one case where you're sure he's guilty somehow?
Trayvon had every right to “stand his ground” against a gun-carrying whacko who had already been told by LE not to follow the victim. Any man, woman, or child of any color with connected brain cells would feel threatened being stalked at night by an unknown dangerous creep like Zimmerman.
Martin had no way of knowing that Zimmerman had a gun, and didn't find out until after he was fighting him.
And, if you don’t Get why folks are rightly upset that a monster like Zimmerman gets a free criminal pass for killing an innocent child and why they want to organize a vigil – or millions of vigils -- in Trayvon Martin’s honor, then I don’t know what to say other than I pity you and your lack of humanity.
You have the nerve to call Zimmerman a "monster", and berate me for being subjective at the same time? And why do you always assume that if I disagree with you that I "lack humanity"? I know myself, and could give a crap if you know how much "humanity" I have.
Finally, why don’t you just give it a rest? Your biased explanation of why you felt the verdict was just was fine & mildly interesting, even though you included a lot of subjective speculation supporting your bias I guess you hoped we’d miss (LOL – too bad for you, I didn’t miss your selective subjectivity).
I'm getting the idea that "bias" means "disagrees with Saundra", but I could be wrong.
But, how about losing the arrogance that makes you think causes you don’t care about aren’t worthy, and how about losing the hubris that makes you think it appropriate to tell others where they should be directing their energies? If you want to organize or get out there & protest for your list of causes, have at it! No one is stopping you or suggesting you should be directing your focus elsewhere.
Just trying to inject a little rationality into what appears to be yet another witch hunt. A pastime I find enjoyable sometimes.
Why, then, you do feel the need to chide others who do care – and care deeply – about the completely preventable tragic death of an innocent child at the hands of a lunatic vigilante?
That death could have been prevented two ways. Zimmerman could have left him alone after he'd done his job, and Martin could have not fought him. It's one of those real-life thingys where it's never as black and white (no pun intended) as people would like to believe.
Paul
Saundra
From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rumelhart
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 1:37 PM
To: Keely Emerine-Mix; vision2020 at moscow.com
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The problem as I see it, Keely, is that you want it to be an injustice. You want it to be about the innocent black kid that was gunned down by the armed white man for no reason other than he was black. Facts to the contrary be damned. It's a nice story, but just remember that that's what it is: a story.
Paul
From: Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>
To: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 1:10 PM
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Tom, be there Friday at 6, tell everyone you know, bring whatever microphone you can, and I'll see you there. I don't care how many people show up. I care very much that I myself not be silent in the face of such an injustice.
Keely
www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
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> I am with you 1,000,000,000 . . . %, Keely.
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> Please let me know what I, or Moscow Cares, can do to make this rally a reality, and consider it done.
>
> Come on, V-Peeps. GIVE A DAMN !
>
> Seeya 'round town, Moscow, because . . .
>
> "Moscow Cares" (the most fun you can have with your pants on)
> http://www.MoscowCares.com
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "There's room at the top they are telling you still
> But first you must learn how to smile as you kill
> If you want to be like the folks on the hill."
>
> - John Lennon
>
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2013, at 11:18 AM, Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com> wrote:
>
> > Visionaires,
> >
> > I've been out of town for two weeks so I don't know if there's a rally or anything scheduled on the Palouse in support of the Trayvon Martin family and to express outrage at the verdict. If not, I'd suggest 6 p.m. Friday at Friendship Square. Please either inform me of something previously planned, or pass this around. I'd be willing to speak and I know others of you would, too.
> >
> > This saddens and angers me beyond measure. We have to speak out.
> >
> > Love,
> > Keely
> >
> >
> >
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> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 12:31:27 -0600
> From: Scott Dredge <scooterd408 at hotmail.com>
> To: Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>, viz <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trayvon Martin rally?
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> What would be the point? It was very controversial to bring George Zimmerman to trial in the first place. He was acquitted. Not even a hung jury. Outright full acquittal.
>
> I hate sounding like a broken record but for whatever reason I can't seem to get a basic point across that ***we do not have system of mob rule***. If we did, Zimmerman would have already been lynched without due process long ago. Would that be less of an outrage?
>
> -Scott
>
> From: siyocreo at live.com
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:18:06 -0700
> Subject: [Vision2020] Trayvon Martin rally?
>
>
>
>
> Visionaires,
>
> I've been out of town for two weeks so I don't know if there's a rally or anything scheduled on the Palouse in support of the Trayvon Martin family and to express outrage at the verdict. If not, I'd suggest 6 p.m. Friday at Friendship Square. Please either inform me of something previously planned, or pass this around. I'd be willing to speak and I know others of you would, too.
>
> This saddens and angers me beyond measure. We have to speak out.
>
> Love,
> Keely
>
>
> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:44:05 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> To: Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>, "vision2020 at moscow.com"
> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Trayvon Martin rally?
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> Keely,
>
> Did you look at the evidence?? I don't see how the jury could have done any differently.? Zimmerman was using the "self-defense" defense, and there was enough evidence of that to provide reasonable doubt (his injuries, the witness who saw the guy in the white sweater beating on the guy in the red sweater, the inability to determine who was shouting for help).? According to Zimmerman, Martin saw his weapon and they fought for it and Zimmerman ended up shooting him in the chest.? Since Martin isn't around to give his side of events (conveniently, I know) and since there is no evidence to disprove this, they pretty much had to acquit.? In my opinion, of course.? To prove second degree murder, they would have to disprove the self-defense defense and show that he was unhinged enough to take this opportunity to go kill Martin.? I haven't seen any evidence of that, either.
>
>
> The media has worked hard to make this about race, but there was no indication I saw that Zimmerman was racially motivated.? If anything, Martin was the one framing everything by race.? NBC had to resort to editing the 9-1-1 tape to make it look like it was racially motivated, but the real 9-1-1 tape doesn't appear to show this (at least what I've heard of it).?
>
>
> If you want to get out there and protest something, I recommend protesting what NBC did when editing the 9-1-1 tape in an attempt to ignite racial tensions.? Or protest what the NSA has been doing.? Or protest the drone strikes or the secret courts or the secret reasoning for gathering information on everyone that can't be revealed.? Or protest how the US is going after Snowden so hard instead of cleaning house.?
>
>
> Don't be distracted by this media circus.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Keely Emerine-Mix <siyocreo at live.com>
> To: "vision2020 at moscow.com" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 11:18 AM
> Subject: [Vision2020] Trayvon Martin rally?
>
>
>
>
> Visionaires,
>
> I've been out of town for two weeks so I don't know if there's a rally or anything scheduled on the Palouse in support of the Trayvon Martin family and to express outrage at the verdict.? If not, I'd suggest 6 p.m. Friday at Friendship Square.? Please either inform me of something previously planned, or pass this around.? I'd be willing to speak and I know others of you would, too.
>
> This saddens and angers me beyond measure.? We have to speak out.
>
> Love,
> Keely
>
>
>
> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>
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